weak or strong?

[SirSatai]

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ QJ10xxx ♥ 10x ♦ AQ10xx ♣ ♠ Axx ♥ Kxxxx ♦ xx ♣ xxx

 

with this hand east opened 2♠ and south asked information answer was Weak bids were like this

e= 2♠ (weak) s=pas n= dbl e= 4♠ s= dbl result 4♠+1 with double

 

south called me and said information was wrong i checked hand of east and i think south was rite because for me hand is strong nearly 15 pts and i canceled result and adjust 4♠+1

 

what is your idea ;)

[inquiry]

There was is a mistake made here, and it was yours.

 

The rules do not give directors the right to evaluate hands, but only to enforce the rule. It is not up to you to determine if this hand is weak or strong or intermediate. East considers a hand with 9 hcp weak. This is certianly reasonable. There is no reason to adjust the score on this ground, and there is no legal backing for it (you will not be able to quote a law that allows it on these grounds, for instance).

 

Even if EAST had MORE points, it would still be legal. Then it would be an odd kind of psych, but psychs are legal (if you hadn't specifically forbidden them).

 

I am sorry, but I have to say your ruling is among the worse I have seen discussed about BBO directors. I hope my response, and others you are likely to get, will be helpful to you.

 

Ben

[SirSatai]

ok you are rite i forgot to wirte special rules merci

[jtfanclub]

There's nothing to respond here, Inquiry, you're right.

 

There's nothing wrong with using raw count to determine opening bids. I don't mean nothing wrong with it in terms of good bridge, I mean there's nothing illegal about it.

 

This is not a psych- it is a legit weak 2.

[EdmundB]

There was is a mistake made here, and it was yours.

 

The rules do not give directors the right to evaluate hands, but only to enforce the rule. It is not up to you to determine if this hand is weak or strong or intermediate. East considers a hand with 9 hcp weak. This is certianly reasonable. There is no reason to adjust the score on this ground, and there is no legal backing for it (you will not be able to quote a law that allows it on these grounds, for instance).

 

Even if EAST had MORE points, it would still be legal. Then it would be an odd kind of psych, but psychs are legal (if you hadn't specifically forbidden them).

 

I am sorry, but I have to say your ruling is among the worse I have seen discussed about BBO directors. I hope my response, and others you are likely to get, will be helpful to you.

 

Ben

Until we have committees, the director acts in a dual function. SirSatai is perfectly within his rights to adjust the score.

 

But as long as he adjusts scores in this fashion, I will play in other tournaments.

[McBruce]

Where on earth did South get his double from?

[SirSatai]

south dbl ed to east my english not good and than south called me reason 2♠ bid info was weak and south thinks it was strong i agreeded at that time with south but now ok i accept it is weak

[mikestar]

Ben is right, the ruling was grossly incorrect. However directors can, may and must evalutate hands. For example pychics are legal, but regualtions may reqire that the fact that a psychic was made needs to be noted--how can one do that if one is forbidden to evaluate hands? How can you determine if a bid deliberatley and grossly misrepresents the hand if you aren't allowed to determine if the bid misrepresents the hand at all?

 

And if the tournament has special rules (no psychics) how can they be enforced?

 

In determining misinformation, how can you rule without evaluation? Say over time you observe a pair who state that their NT range is 15-17 but are constantly opening hands like Axx Kxxx Kxx QJx with 1NT. If we can't evaluate, how can we distinguish them from the pair who regualrly opens AQTx AQTx QTx xx with 1NT playing the same 15-17 range?

[Giasone]

I say that TD cannot say if 9 points are many or little this hand for is perfectly legal and ninth I understand the change of result inquiry has reason we we cannot decide that hand only has a player but if it smashes rules.

Giasone :ph34r:

sry for my english (my babel transletor) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[omeroj]

I'M FEDERAL TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR, FOR OUR RULES....ITALIAN AND ALL EUROPE OPEN WEAK IS 11 OR MINUS POINTS.....IF HE HAS ♠AKQJ109876 XX XX

ARE 10 POINTS....AND HIS DANGER OPEN 2 ♠ WITH THIS CARDS....HIS P KNOW WEAK...AND COULD BID PASS WITH 12 OR 13 POINTS...WITH FIT

 

I THINK THAT RESULTS IS OK 4♠X+1

 

CAN'T ADJUST THIS SCORE IN.... 4♠+1, SRY FOR MY ENGLISH BUT I HOPE TO HAVE EXPLAIN IT QUITE GOOD.

 

REGARDS

 

OMEROJ

[Fouad]

Hi

I think the duty of TD is to judge according to laws and to the convention card of the players , if the player said what in his convention or no , cause what in the convention is what his partner will get

The mistake here that some TDs fall in it , is they judge the bridge of the player , but they cannot make decisions according to this , if the player evaluated his hand correct or wrong cause this varies from player skill to another , and for sure this is not the TD role , he cannot punish or judge players for bad or good bridge

Next time you will meet a player who opens and explain his bid as week , and he holds for example 13 points with a single king and his bridge level and thinking makes him not counting the 3 points of the King .... what will you do in this case too ?....... according to laws you can do nothing to him since the 2sp bid in his convention is "weak" and he explained what in his convention