Can't play game; only slam or partial

[Bbradley62]

All tables had one or the other of these two auctions:

[hv=lin=pn|bbradley62,~~M38037,~~M38035,~~M38036|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4SJKH9D34AC3489JKA%2CS3AH25TQKD89TJQCT%2CS59QH38JAD257KC7Q%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%202%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%201%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7CUnusual%20notrump%20overcall%20--%203-%20C%3B%205%2B%20D%3B%205%2B%20H%3B%203-%20S%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CPenalty%20double%20--%2010%2B%20HCP%20%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7CPreference%20--%203%2B%20H%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7Cstrong%20rebiddable%20C%3B%2019-20%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6N%7Can%7C15-19%20HCP%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS2%7C]360|270[/hv]

[hv=lin=pn|Blaine 48,~~M38013,~~M38011,~~M38012|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4SJKH9D34AC3489JKA%2CS3AH25TQKD89TJQCT%2CS59QH38JAD257KC7Q%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%202%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%201%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7CUnusual%20notrump%20overcall%20--%203-%20C%3B%205%2B%20D%3B%205%2B%20H%3B%203-%20S%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CPenalty%20double%20--%2010%2B%20HCP%20%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7CPreference%20--%203%2B%20H%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C11-21%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20C%3B%2012-22%20tot%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7C]360|270[/hv]

I know, 6♣ makes, but there really ought to be a way to play in game.

[dwar0123]

12 total points minimum on the 4♣ bid is to low, gib should be able to find 5♣ bid opposite a more accurate description.

[steve2005]

What about bidding 3NT. maybe GIB will like that spot. Will beat 3N , 4♣ & 5♣ and lose to 6♣

[Antrax]

Pretty brave with a small singleton in a suit W is known to be long in.

[pigpenz]

now we see why LEO opens 1NT on hands like this

[Bbradley62]

Very similar situation to the one I posted four months ago; maybe this time a staff member will see and comment...

 

[hv=lin=pn|bbradley62,~~M19019,~~M19017,~~M19018|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S9AHTD6KAC234569A%2CSJQH5689JQKD79CQK%2CS5678HAD2458TQC8T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%201%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne-level%20overcall%20--%205%2B%20H%3B%208-17%20HCP%3B%209-19%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CNegative%20double%20--%204%20S%3B%207%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7CUnbalanced%20--%204%2B%20H%3B%205-7%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7C21-%20HCP%3B%20strong%20rebiddable%20C%3B%2022%20total%20p%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7C2%2B%20C%3B%204%20S%3B%2011%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS3%7C]360|270[/hv]

 

[hv=lin=pn|gardener53,~~M19031,~~M19029,~~M19030|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S9AHTD6KAC234569A%2CSJQH5689JQKD79CQK%2CS5678HAD2458TQC8T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne-level%20overcall%20--%205%2B%20H%3B%208-17%20HCP%3B%209-19%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CNegative%20double%20--%204%20S%3B%207%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7CUnbalanced%20--%204%2B%20H%3B%205-7%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C3-%20S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20C%3B%2018-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7C]360|270[/hv]

 

So, why does GIB raise 5♣ to 6♣ (and claim to have 11+ total points) but not raise 4♣ to 5♣?

[cloa513]

Its probably another GIB HCP=TP problem which is absolute garbage of course and total ill-definition of bids- look how wide is the TP range for 4♣- 12-22 is nearly meaningless- and despite the description in Bradley's example that's probably the information it gets there so it has no idea what to do next. Partner: I have an opening hand- GIB ???????? gotta to pass. Partner: I have a impossibly strong hand GIB: slam is always right.

[Bbradley62]

Another one:

[hv=lin=pn|puerch,~~M7966,~~M7964,~~M7965|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S7KAH9TQD478JQAC5%2CS359TJH48KAD29C8J%2CS2QH27D5TC23467QA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%208%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CPreempt%20--%207%2B%20C%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%205%2B%208421%20HCP%20in%20C%3B%206%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7Cstrong%20rebiddable%20D%3B%2017%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Can%7C7%2B%20C%3B%201%2B%20D%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%205%2B%208421%20HCP%20in%20C%3B%206%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CHJ%7C]360|270[/hv]

[hv=lin=pn|dragonz,~~M7957,~~M7955,~~M7956|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S7KAH9TQD478JQAC5%2CS359TJH48KAD29C8J%2CS2QH27D5TC23467QA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%208%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CPreempt%20--%207%2B%20C%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%205%2B%208421%20HCP%20in%20C%3B%206%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7Cstrong%20rebiddable%20D%3B%2017%2B%20total%20points%3B%20f%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Can%7C7%2B%20C%3B%201%2B%20D%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%205%2B%208421%20HCP%20in%20C%3B%206%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5D%7Can%7Cstrong%20rebiddable%20D%3B%2023-24%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6D%7Can%7C7%2B%20C%3B%202%2B%20D%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%205%2B%208421%20HCP%20in%20C%3B%2010%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCK%7C]360|270[/hv]Maybe GIB just never plays 5m?

[Bbradley62]

[hv=lin=pn|Bbradley62,~~M5127,~~M5125,~~M5126|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S58KAH9JAD56C8JKA%2CS36JH45678QD4C37Q%2CS47TQHKD378QC2469%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7CWeak%20two%20diamond%20--%201-4%20C%3B%201-3%20H%3B%201-3%20S%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%20strong%20rebiddable%20D%3B%209%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3-5%20C%3B%202-%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%203-4%20S%3B%2013%2B%20total%20poi%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C4%2B%20S%3B%209-%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C3-5%20C%3B%202-%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%204%20S%3B%2016%2B%20total%20point%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7C]360|270[/hv]It seems to me that if North has shown 0-9 total points and South make an invitation, North should accept the invitation with 7.

[hv=lin=pn|coho,~~M5118,~~M5116,~~M5117|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S58KAH9JAD56C8JKA%2CS36JH45678QD4C37Q%2CS47TQHKD378QC2469%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7CWeak%20two%20diamond%20--%201-4%20C%3B%201-3%20H%3B%201-3%20S%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%20strong%20rebiddable%20D%3B%209%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3-5%20C%3B%202-%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%203-4%20S%3B%2013%2B%20total%20poi%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C4%2B%20S%3B%209-%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C3-5%20C%3B%202-%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%204%20S%3B%2025%2B%20total%20point%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5S%7Can%7C2%2B%20D%3B%204%2B%20S%3B%203-%208421%20HCP%20in%20D%3B%208-9%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDT%7C]360|270[/hv]

There's a lot of room between 16+ and 25+. Would 3♦ have shown something between the two?