Adam1105 Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Partner Opened 2♣ (strong) Me, with: ♠QJX♥XX♦AXXXX♣10XX ----- I bid 2♦ (waiting) Partner-opener bids ---- 2♥ I bid --- 2NT Partner opener bids --- 3♠ Q1: What kind of hand is partner-opener showing?Q2: What do I bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I think partner is showing a strong hand with at least four spades and longer hearts. My ♠QJ and ♦A are useful so I would cuebid 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 2♣:2♦2♥:2N3♠:4♦ What is 4♦ a cue for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 If a control bid in this kind of auction agrees a suit, the usual agreement, afaik, is that it agrees partner's last bid suit, in this case spades. What I don't know is whether it necessarily must agree a suit. I'm pretty sure it must, but I could be wrong. I suppose the real question here is how do you show the diamond ace and mild preference for hearts? 2NT has shown some values, but you don't have a club stopper. Perhaps 4♥ is better. Particularly if partner is of the 'don't open 2♣ with a two suiter' persuasion. Since he has clearly violated that suggestion, he must be able to control the auction, and he should be able to go on over 4♥. OTOH, maybe I'm completely out to lunch. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 easy 3nt no problem yet. all I promise is a balanced hand... I dont promise stoppers here...pard can pull if she wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 If a control bid in this kind of auction agrees a suit, the usual agreement, afaik, is that it agrees partner's last bid suit, in this case spades. What I don't know is whether it necessarily must agree a suit. I'm pretty sure it must, but I could be wrong. I suppose the real question here is how do you show the diamond ace and mild preference for hearts?If 2NT denied 4 spades and 3♠ does not show more than 4 spades then this seems a somewhat strange agreement to me. If we wanted to use these 4m calls artificially for support then I would far prefer 4♣ to show heart support and 4♦ to be spades. Can we really think of (m)any hands where we want to start a cue auction in our 7 card spade fit though? 2NT has shown some values, but you don't have a club stopper. Perhaps 4♥ is better. Particularly if partner is of the 'don't open 2♣ with a two suiter' persuasion. Since he has clearly violated that suggestion, he must be able to control the auction, and he should be able to go on over 4♥. OTOH, maybe I'm completely out to lunch. :D2NT showed values? I guess from this you are using 3♣ as an artificial negative here? Over here I learned 2NT to be a negative call without 4 spades. Admittedly that was within a 2♦ negative framework. Perhaps the OP could clarify what these calls actually mean - "waiting" can mean many different things depending (mostly) on how the negative hands are treated. What would a 2♥ response have meant for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I would assume 4♦ is a cue for spades. I don't think you can cue and agree hearts since you didn't support hearts last time and partner didn't rebid hearts or necessarily indicate more length there. I must admit that I would have bid 3♦ with this hand rather than 2nt since that gets my suit in to the auction and leaves the strong hand able to take over for NT. Not sure where the auction would have gone then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 What meaning does 3NT carry that 2NT doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Another critical question is, is 2D game forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I expect partners hand to be 4S 6H (2-1) or 4-5-(3-1). Given I bid 2N over 2H I think I am forced to bid 4H now. 3N on partners club stop holds no appeal. It might have been better if I had bid 3D rather than 2N. Granted this is not a suit of beauty, but at least when I raise to 4H it will sound like I am going to game and have shown something. Over 3S when I bid 4H it sounds more like I was dragged there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 It's hard to know how to answer your question without knowing what your specific agreements are over a strong 2 ♣ opener. After the 2 ♦ waiting bid, I would be tempted to bid 3 ♦ with your hand. It would be useful should partner need to decide if 3 NT is a viable contract. That being said, on the actual auction, after partner bids 3 ♠, I think you have to preference back to 4 ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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