jules101 Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sahaq93dcajt87654&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=3d]133|200[/hv] What are your options? Double seems wrong - you expect partner will bid spades, and then what is 5♣? A forward going cue bid agreeing spades, or natural? 3/4♥ is just wrong! 4♦ would show both majors - generally 5-5 or better. 5♣ seems somewhat unilateral - may miss a heart fit. So what's your choice? And why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I would X, planning to bid 5♣s over 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I think I like 5♣… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 :P Freaks are always hard to bid. If you bid 5♣, pard will know that you don't preempt a preempt, so he/she should raise to six with the king or maybe even the queen and another trick. This should give you a play. Otherwise, you have bid a likely level. There is a name for eight card suits - it's called TRUMPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 This time I wouldn't feel as good about jumping to 6♥ :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I'd bid 6♣. I'll never be able to tell partner how much more valuable ♥K is than ♠K, so sooner or later I'll have to guess what level to play at. Bidding it straight away makes it harder for the opponents to decide whether to save. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Yeah, I would just choose 5C or 6C. I prefer 6 but could be convinced 5 is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 contrary to the typical 7-4 or 8-4, this one is very suited to play in 4-4 or 4-5 fit, AJ10xxxx is good side suit to ruff in dummy, and ♠A offers an entry. All of this makes double followed by 6♣ a decent alternative instead of just blasting. Followed by 6♣ because 5♣ over 4♠ IMO is not natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 You can't show this hand after RHO preempts. That is one reason why he preempted. 6C gets my vote too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 We have a gadget for this - over 3C and 3D we use 4C to show a very strong single suited hand (stronger than a typical 4M/5m jump), so I would employ that gadget. Playing standard methods, I think I would just jump to 5C - If I bid 6, I worry that partner would hang me and put me in 7C with less than what it takes to make, like KQx of clubs and a holding in the rest of the hand that means hearts are unlikely to come home, whereas he can always evaluate for 6 - its not like I'm bidding the 5th & final club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think I would start with X, see what happens. Who knows, partner may bid hearts?! ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 We have a gadget for this - over 3C and 3D we use 4C to show a very strong single suited hand (stronger than a typical 4M/5m jump), so I would employ that gadget. How do you show a strong 2-suited hand such as:Sp and the other minor [ I assume 4S = Sp/Cl here over 3D preempt ], Hts and the other minor [ I assume 4H = Hts/Cl ]Both Majors [ I assume 4D! = Sp/Hts ] . I also assume:( 3m ) - 4C! - ( p ) - 4D! [ asks for long suit ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Yea of course you guys can start DBL, it is only 8-4 and ♦ void, nothing bad happens... I'd bid 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I think I would start with X, see what happens. Usually when I wait to see what happens, I see what happens; and it isn't pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'll double and bid 5 ♣ if partner bids ♠s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Usually when I wait to see what happens, I see what happens; and it isn't pretty. Admittedly if partner passes you're going to be like :-$. But if he bids hearts that's awesome, anything else we just bid 5C. What are the odds of partner passing... I guess higher than you might think given both him and LHO are unpassed hands and you have a void. On the other hand partner being an unpassed hand might lead you to missing a slam if you bid 5C straight off. For instance, partner won't move holding Kxxx Kxx Jxx xxx. On the other other hand, he may well not move (probably should do though) with this hand over X then 5C either. Hmm, I don't know. X is certainly the only way to find a heart fit but given the risk of partner passing it (or LHO bidding 5D) perhaps 5C or 6C is better. If I had to just pick a number of clubs I would pick 5 playing IMPs, 6 at MPs. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules101 Posted May 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 No easy answers, but it sounds like double and 6♣ are favourites! This is what happened. [hv=pc=n&s=sahaq93dcajt87654&w=skqt3h2d982ckq932&n=s8654hkjt864dak4c&e=sj972h75dqjt7653c&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=3d5cd5hp6hppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I understand 6H, but isn't it a bit lazy? Can you possibly have a better hand for partner? I think 6D is called for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules101 Posted May 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Good point - 6♥ was lazy. Pard just the contract tho, so we should have been in 7♥-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I wonder what happens if west does not double 5♣. Maybe same thing, but maybe ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I understand 6H, but isn't it a bit lazy? Can you possibly have a better hand for partner? I think 6D is called for. partner has rectified a jump to 5♣ and you only call it lazy?, what trick could we possibly lose? 6♦ is a big underbid. Congrats to partner for finding a bid I would't find at the table I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 How do you show a strong 2-suited hand such as:Sp and the other minor [ I assume 4S = Sp/Cl here over 3D preempt ], Hts and the other minor [ I assume 4H = Hts/Cl ]Both Majors [ I assume 4D! = Sp/Hts ] . I also assume:( 3m ) - 4C! - ( p ) - 4D! [ asks for long suit ] We don't have any systemic treatments to show 2 suiters after a 3m overcall (except that 4D is always both majors, strong). 4D is our asking bid over 4C. A direct 4M over 4C says "even though I know you have a strong single-suited hand, I really want to suggest playing here instead". That isn't terribly refined, and it doesn't come up much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I play a graded GSF so after 5♥, 5nt would get a response of 6♣ with the Q♥ or less and 6♦ to show 1 of the top 2. Not unreasonable to gamble on no club losers on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Can't find that 13th trick with a trump lead. Don't think I can ever score the Ace of clubs. Jules said that earlier in this thread, however. In six, we can just let them ruff it at trick two and go about our business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkham Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Can't find that 13th trick with a trump lead. Can you make 13 tricks without a trump lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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