mike777 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Seymon Deutsch has been hospitalized (we don't know any more than that - hopefully this will be a minor bump in the road for one of our favorite bridge players), and will be unable to compete in this year's USBC. He has been replaced by Reese Milner and the rest of the team roster has changed somewhat. The Milner team will be Reese Milner-Hemant Lall, John Kranyak-Gavin Wolpert and Kevin Bathurst-Justin Lall. The two new partnerships have submitted new System Summary Forms, which are available from the team list or by clicking on the partnership name in the last sentence. The change in roster changes the seeding order for the USBC. A new ranking of teams by seeding points and new seeding point schedule are now posted. The Milner team is 14th on the list of teams and therefore would be number 11 among the Round Robin teams. Because we had already prepared lineup submission forms and assignment cards for the teams with the Deutsch team assigned number 6 in the list of Round Robin teams and the team numbering in the Round Robin is for convenience only, we have not changed the numbering for the Round Robin. The Milner team's seeding points will of course be used to set the Round of 16 bracket, if they qualify for the Round of 16. We all wish Seymon a speedy recovery and hope to see him again very soon! UNITED STATES BRIDGE CHAMPIONSHIP STARTS FRIDAY The 2012 USBC, which will select the Open USBF team for the 2012 World Bridge Games this summer, starts on Friday, April 27th at 10:00 am. The 2012 USBC is being held at the Woodfield Hyatt in Schaumburg, IL. There are 18 teams entered, 3 of which have byes to the Knockout phase of competition. The other 15 teams will be playing a complete Round Robin on Friday and Saturday. Eleven of those teams will advance from the Round Robin to the Round of 16, which starts Sunday, April 29th. The Fleisher team will join those 11 teams in the Round of 16, which is a Knockout round played on Sunday and Monday. The six winners from the Round of 16 will join Nickell & Diamond in the Quarterfinal on Tuesday and Wednesday. http://www.usbf.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 :P Sorry to hear the news. Best of luck. Hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 http://usbf.org/docs/vugraphs/USBC2012/RRsheet.php some results and handrecords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Met neilkaz here, very nice guy! Time for another run, VAMOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Time for another run, VAMOS.Let someone else get the beer. You need your sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 got 6 and a half solid hours, im good :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Clee GOAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 O A T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 where r u guys watching this/seeing hand records? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 http://usbf.org/docs/vugraphs/USBC2012/Bracket.php?stage=Roundof16 more results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 where r u guys watching this/seeing hand records? you can also pull up the hand records of the hands played on vugraph at...recent bbo vugraphs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Clee GOAT? O A T +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Roger is still in there. That is a good thing. However, can someone explain how a team which started out tenth in seeding points and finished 11th in the RR can emerge into the K.O. phase as the 6-seed ahead of Spector and Jacobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 However, can someone explain how a team which started out tenth in seeding points and finished 11th in the RR can emerge into the K.O. phase as the 6-seed ahead of Spector and Jacobs?Spector was the 6th seed in the Knockout phase, but seeds 3-4, 5-8, 9-12 and 13-14 were randomly shuffled. It's explained on the front page of the USBF website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Yes, I read that; but I guess it meant something different from the words I read. By finishing 11th in the RR, they would have been shuffled between 13 and 14. But, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Sorry, I see what you mean now. That is, this time I actually read your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Roger is still in there. That is a good thing. However, can someone explain how a team which started out tenth in seeding points and finished 11th in the RR can emerge into the K.O. phase as the 6-seed ahead of Spector and Jacobs? the teams ranked 5-8 in total seeding pts after the round robin are randomly shuffled for new rankings in round of 16 lee was ranked 5-8 in total seeding pts after the round robin The shuffle gave them the rank of 6 -- to put it another way at the start they were seeded 10th in total seeding pts. two teams ahead of them lost so now they were ranked 8th. shuffle for new seeds between 5-8 after the round robin no team below them won enough extra seeding pts from round robin to move ahead of them into 5-8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 "The DICs will then randomly shuffle the Fleisher team and the highest ranked Round Robin qualifier into slots 3 and 4, the next 4 highest ranked Round Robin qualifiers into slots 5-8, the next 4 into 9-12 and the final 2 into 13 and 14 (15 & 16 are the bye teams that lose to Nickell and Diamond in the Round of 16)." The Lee team was not in the "next four" from the RR to be shuffled into slots 5-8. They were "the final 2" to be shuffled into 13 and 14. I guess they must have defined "highest ranked RR qualifiers" as qualifiers with the highest seeding points, rather than qualifiers who finished highest. They changed their terminology along the way, and perhaps should have awarded 8 additional seeding points to the two teams of qualifiers who already had the most seeding points to be consistent. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 "The DICs will then randomly shuffle the Fleisher team and the highest ranked Round Robin qualifier into slots 3 and 4, the next 4 highest ranked Round Robin qualifiers into slots 5-8, the next 4 into 9-12 and the final 2 into 13 and 14 (15 & 16 are the bye teams that lose to Nickell and Diamond in the Round of 16)." The Lee team was not in the "next four" from the RR to be shuffled into slots 5-8. They were "the final 2" to be shuffled into 13 and 14. The Lee team was in the next four per seeding points.You need to quote in full. So in theory you could finish in last the very last qualify place in the round robin and be seeded number 3 overall for round of 16.It might help if you just try and rank all the teams by the "new" seeding point totals. As soon as the qualifying teams from the Round Robin are known, the teams will be ranked by their new seeding point totals (the Round Robin winner & second place team get 8 additional seeding points, third gets 4 and fourth 2). The DICs will then randomly shuffle the Fleisher team and the highest ranked Round Robin qualifier into slots 3 and 4, the next 4 highest ranked Round Robin qualifiers into slots 5-8, the next 4 into 9-12 and the final 2 into 13 and 14 (15 & 16 are the bye teams that lose to Nickell and Diamond in the Round of 16). The Round Robin winner will then have the option of "re-shuffling" before the bracket is set. The Nickell team is seeded 1 and the Diamond team 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Mahaffey-Milner, board 32. It says that 4S+1 was made by NS but it was made by EW. So it should be a big win for Milner instead of a big win for Mahaffey. If you click on the hand the bidding shows that 4S was bid and made by EW, but the auction makes no sense at all. I hope it will be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Mahaffey-Milner, board 32. It says that 4S+1 was made by NS but it was made by EW. So it should be a big win for Milner instead of a big win for Mahaffey. If you click on the hand the bidding shows that 4S was bid and made by EW, but the auction makes no sense at all. I hope it will be corrected.The play record also makes no sense at all, eg the lead appears to be from the wrong hand, tricks have two cards that are in the same hand apparently played, etc. Were they playing a different hand at this table?? Incidentally, it's a bit hard to see how declarer could come to 11 tricks in spades, anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 UNITED STATES BRIDGE CHAMPIONSHIP STARTS FRIDAY The 2012 USBC, which will select the Open USBF team for the 2012 World Bridge Games this summer, starts on Friday, April 27th at 10:00 am. The 2012 USBC is being held at the Woodfield Hyatt in Schaumburg, IL. There are 18 teams entered, 3 of which have byes to the Knockout phase of competition. The other 15 teams will be playing a complete Round Robin on Friday and Saturday. Eleven of those teams will advance from the Round Robin to the Round of 16, which starts Sunday, April 29th. The Fleisher team will join those 11 teams in the Round of 16, which is a Knockout round played on Sunday and Monday. The six winners from the Round of 16 will join Nickell & Diamond in the Quarterfinal on Tuesday and Wednesday. http://www.usbf.org/ Is the USBC a men’s only tournament? I don’t recall seeing the names of any women. If the women seldom get an opportunity to compete in the Open Events how can they improve their world rankings? Is their some or other sub-tournament within their respective countries giving them an opportunity to test themselves against the men?I pulled the following off the WBF website: 5. Open and Women's EventsThe MPs won in the Open events and those won in the events reserved for women will be subject to different rankings and will appear in two separate lists. If a women wins MPs or PPs in an Open event these points will appear as Open Masterpoints against her name, so a Woman can own an Open title.a) In the Open list with the accumulation MPs and PPs won in the Open events. These MPs and PPs will determine the players Open Categoryb) In the Women’s list with the accumulation of MPs and PPs won in Women’s or Mixed events. These MPs and PPs will determine her category in the Women’s ranking http://www.worldbridge.org/departments/mps/rules.asp WOMEN CLASSIFICATIONRank......Name…………Country….MPs…..PPs..8……..Irina Levitina…USA……..2813….38 (Open Ranking = 3446)12……..Jill Meyers……USA……..2435….44 (No Data Available)14……...Jill Levin……..USA……...2369….30.5 (Open Ranking = 3308) 15……..Tobi Sokolow…USA……..2340….32.5 (Open Ranking = 1252)19……..Lynn Deas…….USA……..2260….39 (Open Ranking = 3859) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Is the USBC a men's only tournament? I don't recall seeing the names of any women.Christal Henner and Sheri Winestock played in the round-robin but did not qualify for the knock-out stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Is the USBC a men’s only tournament? I don’t recall seeing the names of any women. If the women seldom get an opportunity to compete in the Open Events how can they improve their world rankings? If they are OPEN events why would you say they seldom get an opportunity to oompete? Open is just that, open to anybody. Women get the same opportunity as men to compete in open events. If anything, the system is biased towards women since they can compete in both OPEN or WOMENs depending on what they want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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