Hanoi5 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Teams, both: ♠98x♥xxx♦Axxx♣xxx 2♣-2♦2♠-??? 3♠ or 4♠? To clarify, 2♣ is the only game-forcing opening in the system. 2♦ denies a good 5-card Major or good 6-card minor or 9-13 with 3 controls. 2♠ is natural.(would there be a difference if 3♠ sets the trump suit or shows 4♠+5 or more ♦?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 3♠. 4♠ here traditionally denies any ace and many play it as denying even more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Teams, both: ♠98x♥xxx♦Axxx♣xxx 2♣-2♦2♠-??? 3♠ or 4♠? To clarify, 2♣ is the only game-forcing opening in the system. 2♦ denies a good 5-card Major or good 6-card minor or 9-13 with 3 controls. 2♠ is natural.(would there be a difference if 3♠ sets the trump suit or shows 4♠+5 or more ♦?). Why have you posted this here? In the end everything comes down to your system agreements. From your post above it appears as though you have proper agreements. So its a simple thing to consult your notes. I can understand 2/1 players having an argument about this hand. Why? In 2/1, 2♦ is the waiting bid and 2♥ is the negative bid (0-5 HCP in Queens and Jacks). After a negative response the auction is forcing to a) 2NT, b) 3 of openers major, or c) 4 of openers minor. It all depends on openers second bid. After 2♦ as waiting, the auction is 100% game forcing. 2/1 players will probably fight about the following: Responder has only 4 HCP (the ♦A). Now the response doesn’t fall into either 2♦ or 2♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Why have you posted this here? In the end everything comes down to your system agreements. From your post above it appears as though you have proper agreements. So its a simple thing to consult your notes. I can understand 2/1 players having an argument about this hand. Why? In 2/1, 2♦ is the waiting bid and 2♥ is the negative bid (0-5 HCP in Queens and Jacks). After a negative response the auction is forcing to a) 2NT, b) 3 of openers major, or c) 4 of openers minor. It all depends on openers second bid. After 2♦ as waiting, the auction is 100% game forcing. 2/1 players will probably fight about the following: Responder has only 4 HCP (the ♦A). Now the response doesn’t fall into either 2♦ or 2♥. First of all, 2♥ negative is far from standard, even though you will find a fair few pairs playing it. Also, what is the problem here, you don't have a 2♥ bid and 2♦ doesn't deny less than 6. As for the OP, this is an easy 3♠ bid for me. Partner should not be getting overly exited just because you later cuebid 4♦, so at least let partner know you do have something useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 In my agreement. 4♠ as I have already denied absolute garbage. Could be different for you, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 :P I would bid 3♠. You are a dead minimum for the bid, but you do have an ace, and once in a great while that will be all partner needs for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 3♠ is good (ace or king )4♠ should deny any aces or kings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I play double neg (2h) and I would still bid 3S now. If partner makes a courtesy cue I will sign off, if he makes a serious slam try I will cue my ace. I basically never sign off. If I do its because I lack controls. I can splinter here too, so I would usually do that with a hand with a trump honour and no other controls except a singleton. I generally do not cue shortage on the first round after a 2c opener starts cueing. Not unless I have buckets of a trumps, as partner can often risk the five level. Still, my style makes sense only if you are v conservative in your 2c openers. I would be 100% to drive a slam with two aces, and if it wasnt cold partner is not within our agreements. Most of the time when partner has an ace or a king he will drive to the 5 level. Normally when we open 2C with a single suiter we are denying an outside shortage, particularly in a major, as i have a variety of auto splinter sequences available after 1M opener, and I have yet to be passed out at the one level with a seven card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 3♠ under your agreements, an ace is a big card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Why have you posted this here? Because it belongs here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 2/1 players will probably fight about the following: Responder has only 4 HCP (the ♦A). Now the response doesn’t fall into either 2♦ or 2♥. For the minority of 2/1 players who do play Roth, the 2♥ response denies an A or K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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