SimonFa Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 MP, all white. ♠ Ax♥ 5♦ AKQJ98754♣3 EDIT: Bidding, partner deals P (1H) ? Bidding 5♦ seems lazy and 6D a straight forward gamble with partner a passed hand. But if we try some other route there is a danger of getting passed out below game or letting them find out how good their hearts fit. I admit to the lazy route because I was short of time. Any thoughts of a first bid that teases something from partner, bearing in mind she's a passed hand? Partners hand in the spoiler if you want to construct some bidding. I'm interested in any gadgets that could help here. As always, thanks in advance, Simon ♠KT984♥ 86♦ T6♣ AK96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 You could open 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 If they leave us alone: 2C-2D (waiting, staying out of partner's way)3D-4C (sets trumps and demanding specific responses, 4C cheapest bullet)4S-4N (asking in spades, 4NT showing king)6D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 2♣-2♦-3♦ sets trumps? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 2♣-2♦-3♦ sets trumps? Seriously?OP asked about other people's agreements which might be successful on this hand. That would be what I answered. What you think of it is certainly good to know, but that is what we do. 2C, then 3m (singleton-suited) is reserved for 10+ trick hands. If pard didn't have the spade king, but still had the club AK, we probably would have more trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 2c=2d(random a or k)4d(sets trumps)=5c6d of course on this auction pard may only have the AC and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 OP asked about other people's agreements which might be successful on this hand. That would be what I answered. What you think of it is certainly good to know, but that is what we do. 2C, then 3m (singleton-suited) is reserved for 10+ trick hands. If pard didn't have the spade king, but still had the club AK, we probably would have more trouble.Could you elaborate on how you get from "10+ trick hands" to "sets trumps"? Aren't there 10+ trick hands with the longest suit(s) being a minor that don't know what they want trumps to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aguahombre Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Could you elaborate on how you get from "10+ trick hands" to "sets trumps"? Aren't there 10+ trick hands with the longest suit(s) being a minor that don't know what they want trumps to be?We avoid opening 2C with two-suiters where the longer suit is a minor. Sometimes that requires a hope someone will keep the bidding alive. Sometimes we can convert to the other suit if the specific follow-ups work out. And sometimes, we end up no worse off than the others, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Aren't there single-suited hands that don't know what they want trumps to be? Sometimes I pick up 1363 hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Sorry, I missed out the bidding for some reason. Partner deals: P (1H) ? Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 My partner opened 1♠, did this shut the opps up ? 1♠-3♦3♠-4♦4♠-4N5♣-6♦ 3♦ is either rock crushing single suited natural or a fit jump4♦ confirms the single suiter and big enough to take 3N out of the picture, suit setting4♠ A or K spades no heart control, not lacking in the controls department (would just bid 5♦ with Kxxxx, Qx, xx, KQJx)4N confirms a heart control5♣ control so partner has K♠, a club control 99% certain to be the A, no heart control or suit and an opening hand, so you'd be pretty unlucky to not have decent play for 6♦ here although it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 4NT ... asking for Aces ( even if you don't have a "specific Aces" system ).If partner shows at least ONE , bid 6D ( at least you don't have 2 quick losers ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'd start out 3♥, implying a running suit asking fro a heart stopper. Partner would probably bid 4♥ (I don't have a stop, but I'm the nuts for a passed hand), and I'd bid 6♦ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Without looking at the spoiler, 4nt seems called for. A Canadian slam is defined as 10 tricks and an American lead. If pard shows one Ace it might be a Canadian grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Opnening 2♣ as forcing i guess is quite hard, when u RHO had already opened 1♥. Difficult; u can probaply rule the Grand slam out, its hard to imagine a hand where prd has 2 aces and a king and has passed. 4Nt would be both minors in our system, it used to be specific aces asking, but we change it. 4 must be forcing, but what is prd going to bid it, if LHO passes his/hers bid is forced and if LHO bid 5♥ he would probaply pass or bid 5♠.If we bid 3♥we let LHO in even cheaper, and prd will not have any good bid left. Good problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted April 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I'd forgotten about a direct 4NT as specific Ace asking, but even if partner takes it as a general Blackwood (not key card) I suppose any response is safe as long as 5D over 5C (0 aces) isn't taken as King ask. I played it one partnership but it never came up and I'm not sure I would have thought about it over opps bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 My auction is 1♠ = 10-17 unbal, 5+ spades... - 1NT = INV+ relay2♣ = min, 0-3 hearts... - 2♦ = GF relay2♥ = 4+ clubs... - 2♠ = relay3♣ = 4 clubs... - 3♦ = relay3♠ = 5224... - 4♣ = relay4♠ = 4 controls... - 4NT = relay5♥ = controls in spades and clubs, not in hearts... - 6♦ I would guess the opponents bid hearts at some point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Odds on that 5♦ is the spot (and if it's off it's probably a good pre-empt), and I don't see a scientific route from here, so put me in the lazy camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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