Antrax Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 IMPs, none vul. [hv=pc=n&s=skt53hj5dqjca9863&n=saqj74haqt73d3ck7&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=pp1s3d(GIB)4sppp]266|200[/hv]+480. Go nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 What are you fussing about? If the ♥K is offside, the slam can never make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Playing Robson-Segal methods, South has a nice 4♣ available to get things going in the right direction. But anyway, it's only a 50% slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Do you think the club suit is good enough for a FNJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Unless South had two 4-card club suits when he passed originally, I think 4♣ is fit whatever your methods but I don't think this suit is good enough. With no red-suit controls I think 4♠ is fine here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I dunno, I think if you wait for an even better club suit than this you will be aiming for a very narrow target between "not good enough for FNJ" and "too good to pass initially". So for now I would bid 4♣ but I would be willing to let someone convince me otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Maybe read R/S? :) They talk about suit quality and argue convincingly that it matters. One honour does not a fit jump make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 True, but I wouldn't be too strict for passed hand bidding, the point is to let partner in on your shape and possible source of tricks while in competition the point is more about showing where your values are so you can judge whether to defend or bid more. That said, I don't find this hand good enough for 4♣, those QJ of D seem so totally useless. And indeed, there's zero blame to go around for this hand. Totally normal result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 The slam is surely a little over 50% (the ♥K is likely to lie with the ♦ shortage). I think North can make a try. He has a 4 loser hand, strong trumps, a strong second suit, controls in all 4 suits, and partner has shown invitational+ strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 32519 said it well, don't worry about missing a slam on a finesse. The auction is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yes, the auction is fine. Perhaps with ♠K + ♣A and another K, South could bid 4♦. Lalldonn, what do you think about FNJ here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Why me? I wouldn't bid it even if I could here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 edit: Sorry Im an idiot, didnt see south was a passed hand, was wondering why everyone thought norths pass of 4S was reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 There was a similar hand to this one which came up in a KO event I was playing in. 4 ♠ is ambiguous, so your partner can't really know whether you have a good hand or not. In the hand I was involved in, I had a chunky 14 and decided to try a 4 ♦ cue to show values. Partner took it as a control and bid slam with a good 17 pointer. The preempter proceeded to cash 2 ♦ tricks for a big IMP swing. Subsequent discussion led us to the following agreement after a preempt: A cue of the opponent's suit shows a control, With a good raise, we will make a negative double, and, With a competitive raise, we will simply raise to game. With that type of agreement, responder doubles and opener has a chance to explore for slam after a subsequent 4 ♠ bid. Most pairs have probably never discussed this type of bidding problem and would probably act as responder did here. So, yes, you could say that preeempts do work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 With a good raise, we will make a negative double, and,That seems fine until the first time you see it come back to you in 5♦... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 That seems fine until the first time you see it come back to you in 5♦... Whether to bid 5 ♥ or not seems less of a problem than determining if game or slam is right. At the very least, partner is aware that responder has some values. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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