jdeegan Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 :P Playing BBO SAYC plus support doubles. IMP pairs. White vs red. Partner deals and opens 1 ♥. RHO passes and you hold: KQJ810J1098K974 You bid 1♠. LHO overcalls 2♣. Partner raises to 2♠ (showing 4). RHO passes. Your bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Is 3♠ really a bar bid in "BBO SAYC"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Is 3♠ really a bar bid in "BBO SAYC"? :P Actually no, but the BBO software kept typing that in for me when I was setting the question up, so I just gave in to it. It would be a good use for the bid, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Any particular reason why 3C is listed in the poll as GF rather than a game try just like 3D would be? (Playing garden variety standard I would have thought 3C was the obvious invitation to use, if you decide the hand is worth an invite at all - I voted pass in the poll.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Any particular reason why 3C is listed in the poll as GF rather than a game try just like 3D would be? (Playing garden variety standard I would have thought 3C was the obvious invitation to use, if you decide the hand is worth an invite at all - I voted pass in the poll.) :P Well, 3♣ is a cue bid of the opponents' suit. One does need a general purpose game force since my hand is unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 :P Well, 3♣ is a cue bid of the opponents' suit. One does need a general purpose game force since my hand is unlimited.The yellow card booklet defines the cue bid of RHO's suit as a "general purpose game force", this cue bid isnot so defined. I think I would need the game try more often than the game force. (For the example hand Ialso prefer a pass.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 :P Thanks to all for your votes and comments. At the table in a Speedball game I made a game try which was accepted putting me in a terrible contract. Later, as I thought about it, I realized these types of hands usually play wretchedly. One hand is 4-5 opposite a four card fit, and the 5 bagger doesn't run. Plus, my ♣ king is probably not much good on offense. So, I tried two types of analysis. LOTT tells a strong story. Most likely both sides have one eight card fit - 16 trumps. Evidently, no voids or very long side suits. My ♣ K973 is a negative adjustment. Looks suspiciously like a 15 trick hand. If we make 4♠ (unlikely), then their limit in clubs is five tricks. Hard to buy that. Going plus at 2♠ also looks pretty good. I Fought the Law tells a similar story. Assuming pard has a stiff ♣, then our total of 'working points' is likely 10 in ♠ and 4 or 5 in ♦ (or maybe the ♥ ace) for a total of, say, 14.5. According to IFL tables (pg.149), we have nine tricks. Turns out partner had: A1094AK982Q4108 This is a good hand for the earlier bidding so they accepted my stupid game try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 This is a good hand for the earlier bidding so they accepted my stupid game try. For the record, Jim; which stupid game try did you make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 For the record, Jim; which stupid game try did you make? :P 3♠. Not a bar bid. I thought it was the weakest of the game tries. Fortunately, I was the declarer, so we ended up making five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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