Stephen Tu Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Uh, I think for this poster, "FP" stands for "force point", some hand evaluation scheme, not "forcing pass". His table of opening bids doesn't seem to be a forcing pass scheme. The higher level bids may not be legal at all levels of play in some jurisdictions, need more detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Having a really hard time telling which posts in this thread are serious and which are not http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif edit: just now noticing the promotional necro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Uh, I think for this poster, "FP" stands for "force point", some hand evaluation scheme, not "forcing pass".My prediction would be that a team will win the BB with a forcing pass pair before a team using Force Points wins any world championship at all. :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Having a really hard time telling which posts in this thread are serious and which are not http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gifThis one was serious! B-) My prediction would be that a team will win the BB with a forcing pass pair before a team using Force Points wins any world championship at all. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 My prediction would be that a team will win the BB with a forcing pass pair before a team using Force Points wins any world championship at all. :lol: I believe that the Poles won a WC with a strong pass pair on their team. It will be interesting to see if they retain said title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 $44 is a lot of money for a bridge book.The book 'SLAM after SLAM with Force Point' (black & white) will cost $16, expect it September 2016 (after re-submission for printing on end of AugustThe Sysnotes computer program for Internet Force Point playing in a weeek of preparation (free explanations in BBO by Pavell & Boeff) cost around $38On week of Holidays and all month of December, both of them are selling 20% OFF. Sysnotes & eBook (both in color) can be found on: http://bull-bridge.comThe license for using Fp on Intrnational Tournaments cost $10, but I do not excpect soon some pair or Team to by it. It is mostly for my information if some serious Players learned Fp very well & decided to try it internationally, so I to be able to provide a support for them. The bundle of 3 can be obtained for less than $55 on sell, but you can buy them separate.PavellFp Bidding Developer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 How to play it when only Fp Team Players have the knowledge for it, mostly to help me to check the system for practice use? It was locked until prepared. All will be able to play it after September 2016 when the book & eBook 'SLAM after SLAM with Force Point' will be released on http://amazon.com. Or find it earlier on http://bull-bridge.com by the end of August, 2016First see what I have discovered for 25 years of research, then we will talk again :)You will be the judge, I will listen.Pay attention, that the things become very different when put on paper for the world bridge Players, this is not bla-bla talking before everything is finished & precise polished. It's time to look for the system holes (if any) :) Try to find them.Happy reading, but be aware you will need a bit of imagination to understand Fp totally!Pavell People may buy your book and try out your system. But you need to be aware that they will not pay a license fee. In fact, you may have to pay a decent pair to play your system if you would like it to become well known and well-regarded. Also remember that if the system should become popular, lots of people will play it without buying your book. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 People may buy your book and try out your system. But you need to be aware that they will not pay a license fee. In fact, you may have to pay a decent pair to play your system if you would like it to become well known and well-regarded. Also remember that if the system should become popular, lots of people will play it without buying your book. Agree Vampyr, The other consideration is how easy/difficult will it be to get approval to play it in tournaments? However, I'm all for new ideas and systems in bridge, as long as it doesn't make the game inaccessible to newer players. Wei Precision was easy to learn and proved that new systems can be developed and used internationally by inexperienced teams, and get stunning results, though C C Wei sponsored and trained the teams initially. And as I say, the proof is in the pudding [an old proverb - abbreviated] or, in the case, the bidding :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 And as I say, the proof is in the pudding [an old proverb - abbreviated] or, in the case, the bidding :) LOL I hate that abbreviation -- the whole point is that the proof is not in the pudding! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Unless you're having Finnish Christmas pudding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Unless you're having Finnish Christmas pudding. If I were a child I would rather find a sixpence in my Christmas pudding. Although it it not worth much nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 If I were a child I would rather find a sixpence in my Christmas pudding. Although it it not worth much nowadays.Traditionally a sixpence is worth 2.5p. Just the bullion value of the low-silver variety (0.0454 oz) is currently close to 50p and earlier (pre-1920) sixpences or those in good condition are worth considerably more, so they probably have more value than at any other time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 $44 is a lot of money for a bridge book. Who said $44 for the book? The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separatePavell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 lol, the arguments look as stupid as those of web pages that want to teach you how to win at online blackjack. There are some new discovers about bridge game which will allow you to discover simultaneously by number and by kind all of partner's TOP Honors (A + K + Q) with 1 question 1 answer only. The calculations are for 7 grader. Who said $44 for the book? The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separate. After the 3rd re-submission of the book, it will be in the market between 15 and 30 October 2016. You can find inside over 120 games. About the arguments: wait till New Year, and you will hear about about Fp, then post your opinion again. Pavell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 So I shouldnt waste anytime on it then? It looks like a realy nice system thought or??? First read the book, then decide. The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separate Pavell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Especially for a system that can only be played in competitions that normal players will never see. FWiiW, Z-B played a FP system (Suspensor) in the 1991 BB and won a silver medal. Unfortunately they were forced to give it up before 1993 due to system regulations and switched to Polish Club instead. And that is really the issue. Most bidding theorists think that FP systems are optimal but noone thinks they are practical to play within the current regulations. I personally think it is a shame but that is not going to stop the RAs from continuing (effectively) to ban them from any serious usage. Fp stands for Force Point, not for Forcing Pass :) There are some new discovers about bridge game which will allow you to discover simultaneously by number and by kind all of partner's TOP Honors (A + K + Q) with 1 question 1 answer only. The calculations are for 7 grader. The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separate. After the 3rd re-submission of the book, it will be in the market between 15 and 30 October 2016. You can find inside over 120 games, 2/3 of them with explicit explanations how to use Fp, for 1/3 of them you will see the bids only, and if you have read the book, you probably will explain then. If not, and you have difficulties, email the # of the game to pboev777@gmail.com, and you will receive the full explanations. Between 300-350 pages, 50 of the the System, the rest with games with full explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 lol, the arguments look as stupid as those of web pages that want to teach you how to win at online blackjack. Fp doesn't need any arguments, 1st read the book, then argue. There are some new discovers about bridge game which will allow you to discover simultaneously by number and by kind all of partner's TOP Honors (A + K + Q) with 1 question 1 answer only. The calculations are for 7 grader. The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separate. After the 3rd re-submission of the book, it will be in the market between 15 and 30 October 2016. You can find inside over 120 games, 2/3 of them with explicit explanations how to use Fp, for 1/3 of them you will see the bids only, and if you have read the book, you probably will explain then. If not, and you have difficulties, email the # of the game to pboev777@gmail.com, and you will receive the full explanations. Between 300-350 pages, 50 of the the System, the rest with games with full explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I recall this has been discussed here before but I can't find it. However, this external link works: www.bullbridge.com/Home_Page.php It promises you that you can become a bidding expert in three days. They probably sell snake oil and anti-aging creams, too. I suggest you don't waste time on it. http://bull-bridge.com is the current site, http://bullbridge.com is 15 years old site I rarely correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Agree Vampyr, The other consideration is how easy/difficult will it be to get approval to play it in tournaments? However, I'm all for new ideas and systems in bridge, as long as it doesn't make the game inaccessible to newer players. Wei Precision was easy to learn and proved that new systems can be developed and used internationally by inexperienced teams, and get stunning results, though C C Wei sponsored and trained the teams initially. And as I say, the proof is in the pudding [an old proverb - abbreviated] or, in the case, the bidding :) Mama Mia ?! Who said you have to buy a license? The license is ONLY for experienced Force Point Teams which wants to try the system on INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENTS !!! And YES, I'm paying the players who entered Fp Team in BBO, starting with 6 month delay, if the showed results. I already have spent over $25,000 for such purposes. Fp stands for Force Point, not for Forcing Pass, which is forbidden. The 2016' Fp Evaluation Counting is already published here, how it is will be in the book, along with the complete system, check it before you buy the book with the whole system. No one is aware of that system, it is completely new: the Counting, the thinking, SCOR -SCOR Convention, The Asking for the exact number of the partner's contract tricks and the CPA (Control Points Asking) using new discovers about bridge game, which will allow you to discover simultaneously by number and by kind all of partner's TOP Honors (A + K + Q) with 1 question 1 answer only. The calculations are for 7 grader. The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separate. After the 3rd re-submission of the book, it will be in the market between 15 and 30 October 2016. Amazon, barnes & Nobel & the publishing company site: http;//Xlibris.com (then go to the bookstore) You can find inside over 120 games, 2/3 of them with explicit explanations how to use Fp, for 1/3 of them you will see the bids only, and if you have read the book, you probably will explain then. If not, and you have difficulties, email the # of the game to pboev777@gmail.com, and you will receive the full explanations. Between 300-350 pages, 50 of the the System, the rest with games with full explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavell Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I recall this has been discussed here before but I can't find it. However, this external link works: www.bullbridge.com/Home_Page.php It promises you that you can become a bidding expert in three days. They probably sell snake oil and anti-aging creams, too. I suggest you don't waste time on it. I'm tired about the explanations about the snake oil and anti0adging cream. Mama Mia ?! Who said you have to buy a license? The license is ONLY for experienced Force Point Teams which wants to try the system on INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENTS !!! And YES, I'm paying the players who entered Fp Team in BBO, starting with 6 month delay, if the showed results. I already have spent over $25,000 for such purposes. Fp stands for Force Point, not for Forcing Pass, which is forbidden. The 2016' Fp Evaluation Counting is already published here, how it is will be in the book, along with the complete system, check it before you buy the book with the whole system. No one is aware of that system, it is completely new: the Counting, the thinking, SCOR -SCOR Convention, The Asking for the exact number of the partner's contract tricks and the CPA (Control Points Asking) using new discovers about bridge game, which will allow you to discover simultaneously by number and by kind all of partner's TOP Honors (A + K + Q) with 1 question 1 answer only. The calculations are for 7 grader. The book will cost $16 ($12 on Holidays and all December), the Sysnotes cost $40 ($32 on Holidays and all December), the License for using Fp on International Tournament cost $10. You can bay all of them separate. After the 3rd re-submission of the book, it will be in the market between 15 and 30 October 2016. Amazon, barnes & Nobel & the publishing company site: http;//Xlibris.com (then go to the bookstore) You can find inside over 120 games, 2/3 of them with explicit explanations how to use Fp, for 1/3 of them you will see the bids only, and if you have read the book, you probably will explain then. If not, and you have difficulties, email the # of the game to pboev777@gmail.com, and you will receive the full explanations. Between 300-350 pages, 50 of the the System, the rest with games with full explanations. And I will tell to you and the others only one thing: The Precision ,with all of its modernization is a laughing system compared to Force Point, 40 years ago, YES, it was the best, but now here is Fp with his 7 grader calculations, which unfortunately will kill all of the paid Bidding lessens around the world, but that's the life, it always is like that, sorry Experts. Snake oil and anti-aging cream for your a.., sorry, for you. You probably are from Bulgarian origin, right, I know them very well, because I have leaved there til 45, that is their usual thinking and speaking. That's what they learned after the communists killed all of the Bulgarian Intellectuals 1944-1947. You know nothing, including anything about Force Point! Let's comment again after May 2017, when the world will know everything about Fp, ok ? It is absolutely new. Give it some time snake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I feel quite confident in saying that nobody is going to pay to play a system in an international tournament, almost regardless of how good it actually is. If anything, you should be paying them for playing the system giving it exposure (people playing the system on BBO is hardly noteworthy). Imagine how the bridge world would be if you had to pay Marty Bergen if you played any of the conventions he made, or (descendants of) Oswald Jacoby or Samuel Stayman if you played Transfers/Jacoby 2NT or stayman respectively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 I suggest that Instead of trying to market your book on BBO, you send copies and requests for reviews to the ACBL, EBU, Mr Bridge, The Bridge World etc. Also, if players are using your system on BBO, you should let people here know so they can kibitz and see what it is all about. And what the results are like. Finally, please supply username and password information for your web page. No one can even evaluate your system if they have no idea what it involves. Do you really think people will buy your with no information about what it contains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 http://bull-bridge.com is the current site, http://bullbridge.com is 15 years old site I rarely correct.Why then do you refer to the old site in your signature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 I'm trying to figure out what SCOR-SCOR might look like over 1♠-2♣(GF relay). Maybe 2♦ = 5S4+D2♥ = 5S4+H2♠ = 6 or 8 S, denies 4+ H (H is same rank as S) ...2N = relay......2nd part of SCOR-SCOR:......3♣ = 4+ C......3♦ = 4+ D......3N = 8 S, 1-suited......other = 6 S, 1-suited?2N = 7 S...3♣ = relay......3♦ = 4+ D......3♥ = 4+ H......4♣ = 4+ C......other = 1-suited?3♣ = 5S4+C3♦ = ?3♥ = 6S4+H or 8S4+H1 + lots of relays? 1 "With 6 card suit you show your 5+ card Basic suit, then you show your side suits by 2nd part of scor-SCOR, thus informing your partner that you have 6 or 8 card suit, then you will show your 2nd longest suit naturally, revealing your exact shape, BUT if your side suits are RANK, you must immediately bid your 2nd longest suit by jump, despite that you will bid over the 6th step of SCOR-SCOR Convention! In this case, from 6th step and up, you will enter the Extended SCOR." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Fp stands for Force Point, not for Forcing Pass :) There are some new discovers about bridge game which will allow you to discover simultaneously by number and by kind all of partner's TOP Honors (A + K + Q) with 1 question 1 answer only. The calculations are for 7 grader.Oh my, it gets worse. You are seriously trying to market your QP system here as something special? Yes, that is right, the A=3, K=2, Q=1 method is rather well known and there are a decent number of free and successful methods using QPs. Adam, a regular poster here, has a system based on QPs that is almost certainly far advanced from yours in terms of bidding theory and practice and he is more than willing to advise on his ideas for free when asked. There are also systems around that give a QP answer as the first response to a strong club opening. This is hardly a "new discovery". It might be new to you but BBF posters tend to be a little better informed. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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