jillybean Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=shaqj854d9532ckq6&w=s643hkt73dkqt8c93&n=skqt87h92dj74caj8&e=saj952h6da6ct7542]399|300[/hv] MP NV, dealer = north Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 In this age of "opening all elevens" and responding 2/1 GF with "all twelves " is bound to get you to unmakable games. Perhaps if it went the way of a forcing 1NTF you might get out in 3H :1S - 1NTF2C - 3H jump pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I think it's a lot more realistic for north to decline to open a blah flat 11 count, than for South not to force to game if North opens. Probably getting to at least 3h down 1 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 1s=1nt(sf)p looks like 1nt is down one. I can understand if you want to make a 2/1 with 2h ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Sorry, maybe I should have pointed out that I play 2/1, forcing 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 No, I can't. North has a clear opening bid, and South a clear 2H bid. Anyone who says they would do otherwise is just resulting IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank0 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't open North's hand, it's not even satisfy rule of 20(which is already light enough for 2/1 player). I believe 2/1 player should not open light, this hand is an example. It's nothing related to going down 800 or 1100 at 1 level. By opening light your partner need higher strength to make a GF bid(otherwise you go down very often when your minimum open hits partner's min GF w/o big fit hand), as a consequences you add more hands into your forcing 1NT(non descriptive bid) range. By doing that, when you have more than minimum opening and partner has maximum forcing 1NT you may cold in game but impossible to find. Light open seems like an approach which minimize the advantage and maximize the disadvantage of 2/1 system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think it's a lot more realistic for north to decline to open a blah flat 11 count, than for South not to force to game if North opens. Probably getting to at least 3h down 1 though.Getting to game would be a lot more understandable than going down in 3♥ :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 No, I can't. North has a clear opening bid, and South a clear 2H bid. Anyone who says they would do otherwise is just resulting IMOLots of people would not open north's hand. If not playing precision I would pass with north's hand (but quite possibly reach game anyway). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Getting to game would be a lot more understandable than going down in 3♥ :) No comprende. Are you saying that no one should stay out of game, or are you saying that you are supposed to make 3♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I am sorry. Not opening light in first seat does not improve my result. I would openthird seat and rebid my ♥. With 2 honor tricks and an 8 card fit guaranteed myresponder would rebid 3♥. With a 5 loser hand I must be game at 4♥. My sequence (opponents passing)pass 1♥1♠ 2♥3♥ 4♥pass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 The excellent ♠ intermediates make North's hand a clear opener IMO. If playing Standard I would respond 2♥. Playing 2/1, 1NT is justified with a void in partner's suit, and maybe we'll get out at 3♥. But an immediate 2♥ reply with a good suit and hand is far too tempting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Getting to game would be a lot more understandable than going down in 3♥ :)I also fail to see the endplay that will make 3♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Here is an interesting situation ... from a previous thread ( http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/52002-two-missed-slams-one-bad-defense/ ) ... in this same forum about "Two Missed Slams.." . [hv=pc=n&s=sajt754hak8d97c84&n=sh976543dakt63caj]300|200[/hv] Same opening 1S..... and another 5 loser, 12 hcp Responder hand w/6 cards ♥ and ♠-void ... but ♥ slam makes.If Responder bids a GF 2H, they may get to slam.but if Responder bids an "inspired" 1NTF, they may not get to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_plkcc Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I would go to 4H in my system:/-(/)-1H-(/)1S-(/)-2H-(/)4H-(/)-/-(/) Actually, the reason of failing game is bad trump fit, which cannot be avoided in any system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I would play 4♥ by North after a weak NT opening - am rooting for an "inspired" spade lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Perhaps if it went the way of a forcing 1NTF you might get out in 3H :1S - 1NTF2C - 3H jump pass Perhaps if you knew partners hand you could cheat your way short of game. What's the point of responses like this, especially in the B/I, I mean, I/A forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I would rather open East's hand than north's, but assuming he will pass the bidding should look like: pass-1♥1♠-2♥3♥-pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Perhaps if you knew partners hand you could cheat your way short of game. What's the point of responses like this, especially in the B/I, I mean, I/A forum? If I knew partner opens balanced 11s I wouldn't force to game with 12 missiftting counts. South's hand is worth more than a normal 12 count though but this is I/A not expert :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 We open weak balanced hands 1N or pass never 1♠ so it's a close decision whether to open, my guess is I would but partner would pass. If I open 1N we will be in 4♥. If it starts P-1♥-1♠-2♥ I can believe a pass (we rebid 3♥ on a touch less than some people as we play a GF unbal 2N rebid to deal with big hands) but not sure I'd find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think I should start playing a weak nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think I should start playing a weak nt.That won't help As someone who usually plays a weak notrump and has done so, in one form or another, for 20 years or so, I can tell you that S has a clear 4♥ call (or a transfer if you play Texas) over a weak 1N, and I don't think it 1s remotely close. No, the only way to avoid game is to pass as N, and, since pass is a permissible call in 2/1, playing weak notrump eliminates any hope of missing game absent peeking. My own preference is to pass the North hand, but that is, by contrast, very close and I don't see opening as a huge error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 In this age of "opening all elevens" and responding 2/1 GF with "all twelves " is bound to get you to unmakable games. Perhaps if it went the way of a forcing 1NTF you might get out in 3H :1S - 1NTF2C - 3H jump pass If I knew partner opens balanced 11s I wouldn't force to game with 12 missiftting counts. South's hand is worth more than a normal 12 count though but this is I/A not expert :)Two posters who acknowledge the "modern paradox". Our choice is to open 11's with a 5cM 1M. Two4's auction is not resulting, IMO. His sequence shows 10-12 with a six card heart suit. Yes, South's 12 is all HCP working together; perhaps the void in pard's spade suit counterbalances that. Even if you don't agree, disagreeing without scorn would be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 My own preference is to pass the North hand, but that is, by contrast, very close and I don't see opening as a huge error. I agree with this - in some partnerships I open this and in others I pass. However, if the North hand is an opening (1S) bid then the South hand should not be forcing to game. The auction 1S - 3H; Pass looks clear if you have that option. If you play a weak NT and open this, then you will always be in 4H. I actually think it's harder to identify the spade wastage and stay out of game if North passes. BillPatch's sequence of P - 1H; 1S - 2H; 3H - 4H seems normal enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think I should start playing a weak nt. That won't help As someone who usually plays a weak notrump and has done so, in one form or another, for 20 years or so, I can tell you that S has a clear 4♥ call (or a transfer if you play Texas) over a weak 1N, and I don't think it 1s remotely close. No, the only way to avoid game is to pass as N, and, since pass is a permissible call in 2/1, playing weak notrump eliminates any hope of missing game absent peeking. My own preference is to pass the North hand, but that is, by contrast, very close and I don't see opening as a huge error. How about a 10-12 nt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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