paulg Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) [hv=pc=n&s=skq9765hdjt53cq92&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1dp1s3hpp]200|300[/hv]Favourable vulnerability at IMPs. You are playing 2/1 with a short club. The 1♦ opener guarantees at least four diamonds but will only have precisely four when 4441 with a black suit singleton, otherwise will have at least five and be unbalanced (that is, partner will not hold a balanced hand with four or five diamonds). Over 3♥, a double from partner would be takeout with a good hand. Your call? (I was unhappy with my choice at the table and think another call is better, so just checking!) If you bid 3♠, then please decide on your action if partner continues with 3NT. Updated imps scoring. Edited April 17, 2012 by paulg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Maybe I just feel like pretending to be an expert, but where is my 4♥ COG bid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'd bid 4♦. That's probably giving up the chance of playing in 4♠, but being in the wrong partscore and going down is nearly as expensive as missing game. RHO hasn't raised hearts, so partner probably has a few of those, and given our suit lengths he's more likely to be 1-3 in the majors than 2-3 or 3-3. After 3♠-3NT, I'd bid 4♦. Partner didn't bid 3NT on the previous round, so he's not likely to be enthusiastic about his choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'm a little worried to be playing MP's and finding out 3NT was the last makable game. But I voted 3♠/4♦, 'cause maybe that's always right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 3♠ then 4♦ for me too. I have not entry to hoped for spade tricks in notrump and a partner that is very good at bidding 4♠ with a stiff honour (when it's right) on an auction like this. If 5♦ is right pard needs to bid it but 3nt feels really wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'm bidding 3♠ then pulling 3N to 4♦. I take Andy's point about the wrong partscore, but partner won't correct 4♦(instead of 3♠) to 4♠ with Hx in spades and often not with 3 card support, since we haven't shown 5 by our bidding to date, And if he has spades and drops me there, I may be able to elope with a bunch of trump tricks and scramble 140. I think 4♦ is just giving up on game too easily, while also being too pessimistic about spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Have to go with the COG-Q, which as of this morning is apparently part of BWS, BBO-ADV and obv BBFS. Getting passed in 3♠ opposite a 'misfit' is a very big concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Aside: Intermediate jump overcalls take away these types of problems. 1♦-P-2♠, and then the world is yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Aside: Intermediate jump responses take away these types of problems. 1♦-P-2♠, and then the world is yours. fyp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 fyp True, but I would also say that intermediate jump overcalls would take away the problem, because if my RHO jump overcalls in spades, I have no problem with KQxxxx in spades. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Easy 3♠ IMO? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I am in the same wagon with those who bids 3♠. Over pd's 3 NT i will bid 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Have to go with the COG-Q, which as of this morning is apparently part of BWS, BBO-ADV and obv BBFS. Getting passed in 3♠ opposite a 'misfit' is a very big concern.While playing either 4♠ or 5♦ opposite a 2443 weak notrump with some values in hearts is of no concern at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't like 3S, partner is really likely to have spade shortness given our system, so I would just bid 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 While playing either 4♠ or 5♦ opposite a 2443 weak notrump with some values in hearts is of no concern at all? How much in hearts will this weak NT have when we have a r/w 3♥ overcall on our left? I could be wrong, but I think we have too much playing strength to let this out below game. By the way, I don't claim to know Paul's system. He might be opening 1♣ with all weak NTs, although he might have said something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 By the way, I don't claim to know Paul's system. He might be opening 1♣ with all weak NTs, although he might have said something.I took his explanation to mean that they open 1C with all weak NTs without a 5cM, except they still open 1D with a 6322 minimum with 6 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 By the way, I don't claim to know Paul's system. He might be opening 1♣ with all weak NTs, although he might have said something. (that is, partner will not hold a balanced hand with four or five diamonds)Insufficient? He won't be balanced with three diamonds either. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I'm bidding 3♠ then pulling 3N to 4♦. I take Andy's point about the wrong partscore, but partner won't correct 4♦(instead of 3♠) to 4♠ with Hx in spades and often not with 3 card support, since we haven't shown 5 by our bidding to date, And if he has spades and drops me there, I may be able to elope with a bunch of trump tricks and scramble 140. I think 4♦ is just giving up on game too easily, while also being too pessimistic about spades.Mike's answer represents my views after the event. In fact I think it is pretty clear especially as we always open 1♦ with 2=4=5=2 hands. At the table I bid 4♦ and at least this has received support from respected posters. Partner held A Kxxx Axxx Axxx and the par contract was 3♠, realistically impossible to reach after the three hearts overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Mike's answer represents my views after the event. In fact I think it is pretty clear especially as we always open 1♦ with 2=4=5=2 hands. At the table I bid 4♦ and at least this has received support from respected posters. Partner held A Kxxx Axxx Axxx and the par contract was 3♠, realistically impossible to reach after the three hearts overcall. :P Aw come on. You have an easy pass over 3♠ at (worst case) 50 a trick. If it gets doubled, still pass, really good one card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Partner held A Kxxx Axxx Axxx and the par contract was 3♠, realistically impossible to reach after the three hearts overcall.Unless something odd happens I think the par contract at this point is 3♥ doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't think you should let your judgement be influenced by what happened on this hand. 4441 shapes are rare, and 4441s with a singleton ace are even rarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Unless something odd happens I think the par contract at this point is 3♥ doubled.Sorry, you are right. Par is actually 2♠ + 1 as three hearts does fail by a trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Sorry, you are right. Par is actually 2♠ + 1 as three hearts does fail by a trick. Although I was pretty nervous when your brother was thinking holding xx AQT9xx Q987 J. Not exactly a classic red vs white preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I didn't understand the comment about 3S being impossible to reach. Doesn't partner have an obvious pass of 3S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I didn't understand the comment about 3S being impossible to reach. Doesn't partner have an obvious pass of 3S?I'm not sure it's completely obvious when you hold three aces and a useful king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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