awm Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 ♠Txxxxx♥xx♦x♣xxxx Partner opens 2NT (20-21). IMPs, vulnerable. Your methods allow you to transfer at the three-level (to play 3♠) or the four level (to play 4♠). What do you think of bidding game on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 100% normal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 My better half would do it automatically, with the explanation: "I didn't think we were making 3S!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Their is merit in transfer then 3NT. Opener has♠AKxx ♥AKx ♦KQx ♣Qxx, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 This is easy to simulate. Assuming that opener would super accept with 4 cards in spades, 4♠ makes double dummy on 307 deals out of 1000 when opener has 2 or 3 cards in spades. (Many super accept after 2NT also with suitable hands holding only 3 cards in spades). I would call it aggressive. Normal is something else. Rainer Herrmann 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Completely normal, not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 There is no way, that I know of, to find out whether game is good, bad or indifferent. There are many, many hands wherein game is cold despite partner not being able to superaccept, so I think the idea of a 3-level transfer, intending to pass a non-superaccept is misguided. In addition to the hands on which it is a good contract singel-dummy, there will be hands on which it is a bad contract singel-dummy, but they lead the wrong red suit and we get home anyway. I think this is a normal and reasonable game to bid. We are, after all, 6214, not 6223. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Assuming that opener would super accept with 4 cards in spades, 4♠ makes double dummy on 307 deals out of 1000 when opener has 2 or 3 cards in spades. I would estimate the extra tricks gained on the blind lead / hidden strong hand are enough to make it a biddable game at IMPs, in spite of the lead director advantages. MPs is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 How often will partner bid 3S with 3-card spade support? I think it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 How often will partner bid 3S with 3-card spade support? I think it matters. What do you mean? What else would he bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 no problem at allhad a hand like this against the Hog back in the seventies,Ron doubles look at me and said what are you gonna do with the peice of cheese now?partner redoulbed and took ten tricks....all of Barry and Ron kibbers got up from the tableafter that. It was just the HOG being the HOG Justin: too bad you arent old enough :rolleyes: to have played against those two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 What do you mean? What else would he bid He can super-accept with good 3-card support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 It seems like an auction where if we bid game they will make the wrong lead a lot, like the wrong red suit and we get to discard losers in the other. I would say "normal" at imps for sure, I'm on the borderline between "normal" and "aggressive" at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 IMO this is a no-brainer, and its not wheter its going to make or not nor getting a blind lead or stuff like that.Everybody else r going to bid it, question is do i want to gamble and bid just a part score, nope so howl with a pack and bid xfer and raise it to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 IMO this is a no-brainer, and its not wheter its going to make or not nor getting a blind lead or stuff like that.Everybody else r going to bid it, question is do i want to gamble and bid just a part score, nope so howl with a pack and bid xfer and raise it to game.In NA, this would be an enormous overbid for most: most players in NA have Texas available to them, so would bid 4♥ then pass.....they use 3♥ then 4♠ as a mild slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 If 2NT opener hesitates a bit before bidding 3♠ after transfer I think this hand has no rights to bid 4♠ no matter what agreements are in place except maybe mines, where 3♠ shows 3+ ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 In NA, this would be an enormous overbid for most: most players in NA have Texas available to them, so would bid 4♥ then pass.....they use 3♥ then 4♠ as a mild slam try.There is a happy byproduct of having Texas available, this time. We want to be in 4S, AND we don't want opener to be giving any needless information away with his different 3-card super accept toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 There is a happy byproduct of having Texas available, this time. We want to be in 4S, AND we don't want opener to be giving any needless information away with his different 3-card super accept toys.Would you really want to be in 4♠ if you knew partner had only two of them, or a mediocre hand with three? Holding this hand, I'd be delighted to be playing that partner can superaccept with three trumps, because I could have something approximating to an invitational sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Would you really want to be in 4♠ if you knew partner had only two of them, or a mediocre hand with three? (quote) yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Would you really want to be in 4♠ if you knew partner had only two of them, or a mediocre hand with three? yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 did 1300 hands with dealmaster prothen ran deep finesse4♠ 40%3♠ 80% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 did 1300 hands with dealmaster prothen ran deep finesseAs your stats seem signicantly different than rhm's I assume you used different assumptions about the 2NT opener. Your parameters were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Clearcut at Imps, close call at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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