kgr Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 We had a discussion at the bar (so I don't have a hand for this) 1H-2D3D-3S (Edit: changed typo 2D to 3D)3NT-4H 1H=5+cH2D=4+cD; 10+3D=4+cD; Does not promise extra'sWhat is 4H?:- Proposal to play if opener is min with pnts in C (e.g.: 4351 with slam interest)- Cue for D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I think it depends on what 3H would have been? For example, if 3H is a cuebid, then this is probably to play (or choice of games, 4H/5D). On the other hand, if 3H is natural suggesting we play H rather than D, for example if 2D doesn't necessarily deny a H fit, then this should be a cuebid. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Suppose you don't know what 3H is and even not that it is forcing :)(That was what South told me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Non-forcing slam invitation with a good doubleton heart and extra values, 4252 or 4261. Like a 4NT bid that wants to suggest hearts on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Non-forcing slam invitation with a good doubleton heart and extra values, 4252 or 4261. Like a 4NT bid that wants to suggest hearts on the way.I didn't get support at the bar. Happy I get it her from our star :rolleyes:. I thought that 4♥ as control for ♦ was very unlikely (Why not 4♣ or 4♦ then?) and I thought that 4♥ was passable. ("some" support from you because I didn't think it showed a 2c♥). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 We had a discussion at the bar (so I don't have a hand for this) 1H-2D2D-3S3NT-4H 1H=5+cH2D=4+cD; 10+3D=4+cD; Does not promise extra'sWhat is 4H?:- Proposal to play if opener is min with pnts in C (e.g.: 4351 with slam interest)- Cue for DHow long have you been at the bar? What is 3S after the insufficient 2D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 How long have you been at the bar? What is 3S after the insufficient 2D?I changed it to 3D :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I was thinking 3S -> ostensibly inviting 3NT, but after pulling, 4H sounds like "a cuebid for diamonds, and 3S was a cuebid too even though it didnt sound like it at the time." I remember a bunch of posts in the past where jdonn played a whole lot of 4M bids as non-forcing slam invitations / encouraging COGs where it wouldn't have occurred to me to do it that way. It makes quite a bit of sense here, but isn't what I'd assume without discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think a 3♥ rebid should be natural and 4♥ is then either Kickback (if played) or a cue bid (if not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I think a 3♥ rebid should be natural and 4♥ is then either Kickback (if played) or a cue bid (if not).If I had agreed ♥ with a 3♥ rebid, I would think my 4♥ a game suggestion. I assume you meant that after the original auction 4♥ would be defined as you stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I assume you meant that after the original auction 4♥ would be defined as you stated.That is correct. I was answering the two points raised by the OP, that he did not know what a 3♥ rebid would have been and what 4♥ should be on the 3rd round. As far as I am aware the auction 1♥ - 2♦; 3♦ - 3♥; 4♥ was never raised but yes, I would agree with your interpretation of it, a minimum opener unexcited by the double-fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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