stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Try this problem: South dealer: Both vulnerable [hv=pc=n&e=sajth7dak42cakjt7&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p1hp2cp2hp2sp3sp]133|200[/hv] 2♥ = forcing, does not show a 6-card hearts! What would you do as East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuburules3 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I don't quite understand 2♠. I think if I bid a minor suit now, it will be a cuebid. Since I don't see a sensible way to explore a minor suit slam now, I think I'll try 6NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Ditto, why 2♠ ? Now i must try to guess right contract, luckily 6Nt is higher contract than 6 ♠. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Try this problem: South dealer: Both vulnerable [hv=pc=n&e=sajth7dak42cakjt7&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p1hp2cp2hp2sp3sp]133|200[/hv] 2♥ = forcing, does not show a 6-card hearts! What would you do as East? What would i do as East? Pretend i had an overseas phone call and excuse myself from the table. What idiocy prompted my 2S bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Try this problem: South dealer: Both vulnerable [hv=pc=n&e=sajth7dak42cakjt7&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p1hp2cp2hp2sp3sp]133|200[/hv] 2♥ = forcing, does not show a 6-card hearts! What would you do as East? I dont play thisstyle am i forbidden from bidding 3d over 2h? can we assume 2h is a minimumhand at least if only 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I don't quite understand 2♠. I think if I bid a minor suit now, it will be a cuebid. Since I don't see a sensible way to explore a minor suit slam now, I think I'll try 6NT. At table, I think if partner have diamond suit, he will bid 2♦ intead of 2♥, and if I bid naturally (3♦ reverse), which will force partner to bid 4♣ for his preference. Or bid 3♠ when he have 4-cards spade suit.2♠ generate a support was an accident, but compare to the sequence below: 1♥............2♣2♥............3♦3♥ or 3♠...?? Relatively simple problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Just because partner probably doesn't have a diamond suit doesn't mean that I can't bid what I have, which is clubs and diamonds. I have an unambiguous game force with 5 clubs and 4 diamonds. I bid 2♣ over 1♥ and 3♦ over 2♥. What I don't do is bid a three card spade suit as if I had 4 of them. I suspect that I will eventually bid 6NT. But there is no reason to rush into 6NT. Partner could have 4 diamonds or clubs support or something else worth knowing about and a grand could be cold in any of four denominations - hearts, diamonds, clubs or no trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 What idiocy prompted my 2S bid? Idiocy. Ridiculous. Maybe that's okay for kids who are sick (but then, parents of Celiac kids often find themselves criticised for their cruelty in restricting their diets.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 1h=2c2h=3d3h=? seems clearer but I dont play this style.... assume pard could have: Kxx...akT8xx....xxX...x SO i CAN BID 4NT QUANT NOW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 At table, I think if partner have diamond suit, he will bid 2♦ intead of 2♥, and if I bid naturally (3♦ reverse), which will force partner to bid 4♣ for his preference. Or bid 3♠ when he have 4-cards spade suit.2♠ generate a support was an accident, but compare to the sequence below: 1♥............2♣2♥............3♦3♥ or 3♠...?? Relatively simple problem? I don't know why you ask questions if you don't listen to or like the answers. If pd does not have C or D support after 3D he can bid 3S, 4th suit forcing, or 3NT with a S stopper, or 3H with 6-7 decent hearts. Why on earth would partner's 3S bid over 3D show a 4 card S suit? He MAY have one, but this bid does not show 4S Does this not put you in a far better position? If he gives preference to C you are very happy. You distort the bidding and then you ask what would you do? Yes, it IS a relatively simple problem. I also have no idea what your previous reply to me is meant to mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabooba Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I don't know why you ask questions if you don't listen to or like the answers. If pd does not have C or D support after 3D he can bid 3S, 4th suit forcing, or 3NT with a S stopper, or 3H with 6-7 decent hearts. Why on earth would partner's 3S bid over 3D show a 4 card S suit? He MAY have one, but this bid does not show 4S Does this not put you in a far better position? If he gives preference to C you are very happy. You distort the bidding and then you ask what would you do? Yes, it IS a relatively simple problem. I agree with this. This is not a difficult hand to bid unless you deliberately set out to make it difficult After 3♦ 3♥ I will just bid 6NT. Over 3♦ 4♣ I will bid 4♠ Key card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Punting 6NT on this hand is better than 2♠ without 4 of them. Why on earth is anyone afraid of landing in 4♣ in a hand which clearly wants to be in slam? The reasons for bidding 3♦ instead of the direct 6NT jump: 1) Get to the right slam 2) There may be a grand slam if the fit is right. Or go right ahead and bid 2♠, then when you eventually bid 6NT, partner can evaluate his cards and bid 7♠, expecting to snag the thirteenth trick with that lovely 4-4 spade fit you (don't ) have! Wouldn't everybody like 7♠-1 better that 6NT=? (Well everybody holding the defender's cards, that is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Partner could have 4 diamonds or clubs support or something else worth knowing about and a grand could be cold in any of four denominations - hearts, diamonds, clubs or no trump. Whenever partner raise your second suit, he promised to have 4-card support, so are you sure the spades contracts must be excluded from any of the denominations? The hands are:[hv=pc=n&s=s93hqj3dj53c98542&w=skq54hat98642dq7c&n=s8762hk5dt986cq63&e=sajth7dak42cakjt7]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 6S If that is what you are suggesting, is a very poor contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I agree with this. This is not a difficult hand to bid unless you deliberately set out to make it difficult After 3♦ 3♥ I will just bid 6NT. Over 3♦ 4♣ I will bid 4♠ Key card. How about 3♠ after your 3♦, what will be your next bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 6S If that is what you are suggesting, is a very poor contract. Are you kidding？ You should want to say 7S is a very poor contract！ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Are you kidding？ You should want to say 7S is a very poor contract！6♠ is actually pretty good, trump lead, win 10, 3 rounds of diamonds, AK♣ and ruff one low, ace of hearts and if this stands up you have 8 tricks in the bag and can cross ruff the AKQJ of trumps. It could easily be no play with pretty much the same auction though with other slams solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 When playing 2/1 you should play 2N as a waiting bid that basically asks partner to bid out his shape. That should be the default setting. Once west bids 3H showing 6+ w/o 3c or 4d it is relatively easy. East should just punt 6N at this point imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 When playing 2/1 you should play 2N as a waiting bid that basically asks partner to bid out his shape. That should be the default setting. Once west bids 3H showing 6+ w/o 3c or 4d it is relatively easy. East should just punt 6N at this point imo. Good point! Treat 2NT as if it were a new suit, this is very simple and extremely handy and I have been playing it ever since 1990, but only with friend. 1H - 2C2H - 2NT3S - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Try this problem: South dealer: Both vulnerable [hv=pc=n&e=sajth7dak42cakjt7&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p1hp2cp2hp2sp3sp]133|200[/hv] 2♥ = forcing, does not show a 6-card hearts! What would you do as East? It turns out your hand wasn't even this good: AT77AK42AKJT3 If they are going to lead a club to pick up the suit for you, then making slam will be trivial. That doesn't excuse the 2S bid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 It turns out your hand wasn't even this good: AT77AK42AKJT3 If they are going to lead a club to pick up the suit for you, then making slam will be trivial. That doesn't excuse the 2S bid though. I thought ♠A107 changed AJ10 can slightly reduce the intensity of the criticism, not think of still been criticized severely.However, to bring the 6♠ home with actually A107 holding, do not have to rely on a favorable club openning lead. Since North holding is J862. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Hi, As was said before 2S was just ..., nevertheless I did hit gold, so lets make the most out of it. 3S did set up a gf auction, with spade agreed. You can ask for KCs, you will hear about the King and Queen of spades. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansllee Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Hi, As was said before 2S was just ..., nevertheless I did hit gold, so lets make the most out of it. 3S did set up a gf auction, with spade agreed. You can ask for KCs, you will hear about the King and Queen of spades. With kind regardsMarlowe At the table, over partner spade raise, I jump to 5♠ which should let partner know what the trump suit is going to be for the slam. I don't understand why i failured to dance the keycard toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 At the table, over partner spade raise, I jump to 5♠ which should let partner know what the trump suit is going to be for the slam. I don't understand why i failured to dance the keycard toy.You wanted to go scientific. The problem with 5S is, that it may mean different thing to different peoble, ... and some may play it as NF,as a quantitative invite. Holding 20HCP oppossite a opener, with at least a partial fit, I am not stoppingbelow slam, even with the heart shortagte, which is nothing to cheer about. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 6♠ is actually pretty good, trump lead, win 10, 3 rounds of diamonds, AK♣ and ruff one low, ace of hearts and if this stands up you have 8 tricks in the bag and can cross ruff the AKQJ of trumps. It could easily be no play with pretty much the same auction though with other slams solid. Yes and you need three rounds of Ds to stand up.and the third club not to be overruffed. A better slam is actually 6C, simply because you have the AKJT. It is unfortunate that clubs don't break 4-4. Even then you can make 6C provided you don't get a H lead and provided you cash the AK and guess to play low on the third C.The op is delusional and is posting nonsense in a futile attempt to show how clever he thinks he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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