EBU Autumn Congress

[mgoetze]

Has anyone been to the EBU Autumn Congress in Stratford-upon-Avon and would be willing to offer an opinion? I realise it is not exactly the top event on the EBU calendar but it happens it would fit into my schedule, so I was wondering whether it had decent bridge on offer. Is it necessary to be an EBU member to play in these events? Also, would it be at all realistic to be there for the 2PM start landing at Gatwick at 10:20AM or would I have to plan on flying the evening before?

[phil_20686]

Has anyone been to the EBU Autumn Congress in Stratford-upon-Avon and would be willing to offer an opinion? I realise it is not exactly the top event on the EBU calendar but it happens it would fit into my schedule, so I was wondering whether it had decent bridge on offer. Is it necessary to be an EBU member to play in these events? Also, would it be at all realistic to be there for the 2PM start landing at Gatwick at 10:20AM or would I have to plan on flying the evening before?

 

I dont think I have ever played that one.

 

I don't think that is a realistic travel time. Its about 3 hours or so on the train I think, and there may not be a train at a great time etc. I think its longer if you drive, but I might be wrong. I don't drive so am normally poor at car travel times.

[gnasher]

It's a serious event and it attracts some good players. Here are last year's finalists:

http://www.ebu.co.uk...2StarsFinal.htm

http://www.ebu.co.uk...tbourneBowl.htm

You'll probably recognise a few of the names.

 

It's not a great rail journey, because you have to go either through or around London, and the trains to Stratford are rather slow. There's a rail planner here:

http://ojp.nationalr...njourney/search

 

If you're driving it's 130 miles (210km), all by motorway, so you'd be cutting it fine, but probably OK if you didn't have any major delays.

 

Now for an unhelpful suggestion: can't you fly to Birmingham instead?

[gordontd]

Has anyone been to the EBU Autumn Congress in Stratford-upon-Avon and would be willing to offer an opinion? I realise it is not exactly the top event on the EBU calendar but it happens it would fit into my schedule, so I was wondering whether it had decent bridge on offer. Is it necessary to be an EBU member to play in these events? Also, would it be at all realistic to be there for the 2PM start landing at Gatwick at 10:20AM or would I have to plan on flying the evening before?

The Two-Stars Pairs was indeed in the past one of the top pairs events in the EBU calendar, but the Autumn Congress declined a bit over the years and was then moved to an unfortunate venue in Birmingham for a couple of years and it declined further.

 

However, last year it was moved to Stratford-upon-Avon, a very popular venue familiar with those who have played in the Spring Fours, and it was generally well received, with numbers recovering to some extent. I'd expect this year to be even better as word-of-mouth gets around, and the format of the Two-Stars Pairs is enjoyable to play in (as long as you qualify for one of the two main finals!)

 

As regards getting there, I don't think you could do it by public transport in the time you give, and although you could probably manage it driving I don't think you would be allowing enough time for contingencies.

[Vampyr]

I dont think I have ever played that one.

 

Well, it has taken place, according to the full description given, only once.

 

Getting there a day early would allow you to get some sightseeing in. If this will be your first time in Stratford, surely you have to visit Shakespeare's house, if only because when you get back home everyone will be asking you if you went there.

[mgoetze]

Now for an unhelpful suggestion: can't you fly to Birmingham instead?

It doesn't sound that unhelpful, but apparently I could arrive at Birmingham at 7:45, which would leave me completely dazed and incoherent by the time of day when I would have to play bridge, or at 10:35 by tripling my flight budget (currently at 60 Quid for CGN-LGW-CGN), so a Thursday evening flight to London sounds more likely.

 

Anyhow thanks all for the advice, I shall be looking into it further. Would still appreciate it if someone could tell me whether I need to be an EBU member.

[gordontd]

Would still appreciate it if someone could tell me whether I need to be an EBU member.

No, you don't need to be a member of the EBU as long as you are a member of your national federation.

[mgoetze]

Well, I've booked my flights, even though they haven't put up a webpage for this year's event yet (fingers crossed). Any BBFers who will be there and would like to say hello, drop me a line.

[gordontd]

Well, I've booked my flights, even though they haven't put up a webpage for this year's event yet (fingers crossed). Any BBFers who will be there and would like to say hello, drop me a line.

It'll be happening - it's listed in the calendar, and I'm directing it!

[shintaro]

:rolleyes:

 

Yup I'm there Directing as well

 

:D

[Zelandakh]

Yup I'm there Directing as well

Let's hope noone refuses to provide their carding agreements then.

[Cyberyeti]

Hmm, decisions decisions, do I play this or head to pretty close to where MGoetze has come from to go to the boardgames fair in Essen.

[Oof Arted]

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[shintaro]

Let's hope noone refuses to provide their carding agreements then.

 

 

:D :P

[mgoetze]

So I'll be playing a rather complicated system and would like to read up on the alerting regulations. What am I supposed to look at, the "Tangerine Book"? Am I correct in assuming all the events are "Level 4"?

 

Also, what's the unofficial rule on convention cards? How many people would you expect to have a convention card and would it be a real problem if I used, say, a WBF convention card rather than an EBU one?

[gnasher]

So I'll be playing a rather complicated system and would like to read up on the alerting regulations. What am I supposed to look at, the "Tangerine Book"? Am I correct in assuming all the events are "Level 4"?

 

Also, what's the unofficial rule on convention cards? How many people would you expect to have a convention card and would it be a real problem if I used, say, a WBF convention card rather than an EBU one?

 

The alerting regulations are in the Orange Book. The Tangerine Book contains only a simplified summary.

 

All the events will be Level 4.

 

The unofficial rule on convention cards is the same as the official rule. Almost every pair you meet will have two EBU convention cards, and I think you should do the same. Some of the players will rarely or never have encountered an WBF card, so if that's all you offer you will inconvenience some people, probably disadvantage someone, and possibly annoy someone enough for them to call the director.

 

People are likely to be forgiving of an accidental failure to alert, but not of a wilful failure to fill in a convention card.

 

Beware that "2nd and 4th" doesn't mean the same as it does in some other countries.

[paulg]

The EBU has an announcing and alert table (PDF). Once you've got the hang of what to announce, the alert policy is not complicated except when it comes to alerting doubles; even here I think you'll be better placed than EBU members since you have no history and the rule is simple - alert penalty doubles of natural bids and non-penalty doubles of artificial bids. As gnasher says, people are very tolerant with alerts when you are foreign, even when you have a Scottish accent.

 

On convention cards I'll be less subtle than gnasher and just say, "do NOT bring your WBF card" - complete an EBU 20B card. If you need any help then just send a draft to me and I'll look it over.

[Vampyr]

alert penalty doubles of natural bids and non-penalty doubles of artificial bids.

 

This isn't it, but it is still simple, despite the large number of words used in the OB:

5 E 2 DoublesThe rules for alerting doubles are:

(a) Suit bids that show the suit bid.

Double of these bids is not alertable if for take-out; alertable otherwise.

(b) Short, Nebulous, Prepared and Phoney minor openings.

Double of these bids is not alertable if for take-out; alertable otherwise.

© No trump bids.

Double of these bids is not alertable if for penalties; alertable otherwise.

(d) Suit bids that do not show the suit bid.

Double of these bids is not alertable if showing the suit doubled; alertable

otherwise.

Doubles are also alertable if they convey a potentially unexpected meaning in addition

to take-out or penalties as defined above.

In 5E2(a) and 5E2(d) the word ‘show’ is defined as follows:

‘it is natural, or shows willingness, in the context of the auction, to play in the suit, or it

is followed by two passes’.

5 E 3 RedoublesThe rules for alerting redoubles are:

(a) Redoubles which are for business or show general strength, which partner is

normally expected to pass if the next hand passes – not alertable.

(b) Other redoubles (notably those partner is expected to take out) – alertable.

5 E 4 Calls above 3NTOnce the auction is above the level of 3NT, no calls are to be alerted except for:

(a) Artificial opening bids

(b) Lead-directing passes

© Doubles or redoubles that are lead-directing but ask for the lead of a suit other

than the suit doubled (or redoubled)

 

Sometimes a director will go round the room doing a CC check, so do not think that "required" means "optional" as it does in some places.

[broze]

Many of the EBU Green-pointed events have a discounted rate for juniors. From what I can see this one does not, which I find quite surprising.

[Finch]

So I'll be playing a rather complicated system and would like to read up on the alerting regulations. What am I supposed to look at, the "Tangerine Book"? Am I correct in assuming all the events are "Level 4"?

 

Also, what's the unofficial rule on convention cards? How many people would you expect to have a convention card and would it be a real problem if I used, say, a WBF convention card rather than an EBU one?

 

Do you mean 'alerting' regulations or system regulations.

For alerting, you won't go far wrong if you alert anything that isn't natural, and don't alert things that are natural; the only things to be aware of are

(i) you announce opening 1NT range and natural 2-level openings

(ii) you alert penalty doubles of natural suit bids

 

[some other things get announced as well, but it doesn't really matter if you forget and alert instead]

 

For system regulations, the tangerine book is almost certainly all you need unless you want to play some very odd two-level openings. Also it will speed up checking if what you want to play is legal if you notice that the only things that are regulated are

(i) opening bids (at every level) and

(ii) second seat actions after a natural 1-level opening suit bid

[some 4th seat actions are as well but that is really obscure]

 

i.e. you don't need to worry about your response structure or about your evil defence to 1NT or 2-level openings.

 

If you want to know if your system is legal, send me your WBF convention card and I'll tell you very quickly. [i'm an EBU official so you can take it as an official answer]

 

On convention cards, DO NOT use your WBF one; it's not logical (or particularly rational) but in general you will irritate most people far less with a badly-filled out English one than a well-filled out WBF one. The EBU one doesn't take long to fill out the most important bits of (opening bids, leads, signals, discards, 2nd seat defences).

[mgoetze]

I actually don't have a ready WBF one, but due to the way I work on convention cards (with LaTeX; I do not own licenses for any Microsoft products such as Word or Windows) it would be much easier for me to fix up a WBF card than an EBU one. I was actually assuming that my system would be generally legal and just wondering about things such as whether to alert 1♣-1♦ or to announce it as "hearts". ;)

[Finch]

I actually don't have a ready WBF one, but due to the way I work on convention cards (with LaTeX; I do not own licenses for any Microsoft products such as Word or Windows) it would be much easier for me to fix up a WBF card than an EBU one. I was actually assuming that my system would be generally legal and just wondering about things such as whether to alert 1♣-1♦ or to announce it as "hearts". ;)

 

You could always use pen and ink for the EBU one. A bit 20th century, but still viable and doesn't take long to get the basics on it.

 

You announce:

- 1NT openings

- Stayman 2C response to a 1NT opening (if you play Stayman, otherwise alert)

- 2D/2H red suit transfers in response to a 1NT opening

- natural opening 2 bids (weak/intermediate/strong)

 

Anything else (short 1C opening, transfer responses, transfer responses to NT overcalls or a 2NT opening) you alert.

 

No formal pre-alerts or post-alerts, but if you are playing unusual things such as transfer responses to 1C, put it on the front of the card under 'aspects of the system the opponents should note'

[Vampyr]

No formal pre-alerts or post-alerts, but if you are playing unusual things such as transfer responses to 1C, put it on the front of the card under 'aspects of the system the opponents should note'

 

If you are playing things like the above, funny 2-bids, artificial 1NT openings etc it is considered courteous to mention these to your opponents when you tell them your basic system.

[mgoetze]

Time to head for the airport. :)

[gordontd]

Time to head for the airport. :)

See you tomorrow!