paulg Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s7hq653dcakt76432&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=3cp5cp]200|300[/hv]Is partner the captain or are you worth another call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 LOL may be the correct answer. You chose to make a rather unusual 3♣ opening call. Partner bid 5♣, presumably to make, but you don't really know. In any case, you must pass. For all you know, partner might have: AKQxJTxAKQxxx And even 5♣ is in jeopardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I vote for LOL. Partner is supposed to be the Captain, and we are supposed to have a hand which doesn't want to be the Captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Pass or open 5C for me. Abstain after 3C; it's guesswork at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Abstain or LOL must be correct. I would pass but I have no experience in pulling the wrong card from the bidding box and underbidding by 2 tricks and then figuring out what to do later, so my opinion is probably worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I can only assume that for some reason we decided to walk the dog when we opened 3♣. So the issue of partner being captain doesn't arise. I voted abstain but would guess to bid slam if I really had to choose something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I agree with others, if i was forced to choose between 3♣ and 2♣, i would go with 2♣ rather than 3. I don't know what to do right now tbh. Since i opened 3♣, i may as well just pass and try to get a plus score if i can now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Given where we've got to, I think it's right to bid 6♣. The opponents' silence makes it obvious that partner is bidding to make, so 6♣ is likely to have play. Opposite ArtK's AKQx JTx AKQx xx I'd like to be in 6♣ rather than 5♣ - slam is making on a non-heart lead, and if they do lead a heart we'll usually go down in game, so the risk-reward ratio is low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 6C -- sorry partner these cards are sticky, my ace of clubs was hidden behind another card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Personally, I'd open this hand 5 ♣ as it's a 5 loser hand. But given the 3 ♣ bid, there's no way to know if partner is raising to make or furthering the preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Personally, I'd open this hand 5 ♣ as it's a 5 loser hand. But given the 3 ♣ bid, there's no way to know if partner is raising to make or furthering the preempt.True....but we have an opportunity to piss him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 True....but we have an opportunity to piss him off. Dont worry about pissing him off, your wishes will already be granted when he sees the hand you opened 3♣ :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I also abstain/LOL/hate 3C. After having bid 3C I'd shrug and bid 6C. Art unintentionally makes a good case for bidding on: if partner's hand fit's well we might make 7, and if partner's hand fits badly we might be down already. I suspect that this is a ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I suspect that this is a ruling. This was the case. Your partner took three minutes to bid five clubs and this hand bid six, making trivially when partner had a singleton heart and lots of values. Director ruled it back, but I thought he must have had a fun time trying to find some peers of South. South was furious at the ruling (and North was not happy either) and insisted on an appeal, but they went home during the break and so the appeal never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Director: "Hi, would you mind a quick bidding question?"Player (slightly humbled): "Sure, why not."Director: "Here is the auction: (...)"Player: "THAT'S WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE MY PEERS?" (Thinking.) "Now, that explains your ruling last week..." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 No need for peers, tere is UI and UI clearly suggests bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 tere is UI and UI clearly suggests bidding.Why does the UI suggest bidding? Partner might have been agonising between pass, 4♣ and 5♣ for all you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Given where we've got to, I think it's right to bid 6♣. The opponents' silence makes it obvious that partner is bidding to make, so 6♣ is likely to have play. Opposite ArtK's AKQx JTx AKQx xx I'd like to be in 6♣ rather than 5♣ - slam is making on a non-heart lead, and if they do lead a heart we'll usually go down in game, so the risk-reward ratio is low. I also abstain/LOL/hate 3C. After having bid 3C I'd shrug and bid 6C. Art unintentionally makes a good case for bidding on: if partner's hand fit's well we might make 7, and if partner's hand fits badly we might be down already. I suspect that this is a ruling. Both of you have legitimate points about bidding on. The point that I was trying to make was that partner could have a great hand and you still might not make slam (or even game). He might even have his full hesitation but if the hands don't fit well there will be no slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 No need for peers, pass is clearly an LA [under the new(ish) rules]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 No need for peers, pass is clearly an LA [under the new(ish) rules]. But you also need the UI to suggest bidding, which is not that clear. I mean, I guess I would expect to be ruled against if I had bid 6c, but that is because it seems to be practice that hesitation = extras, even in cases where that seems absurd. FWIW the only times I have ever seem my partner make a slow raise to 5m he was thinking about 3N. He has loads of slammy things to do and normally picks one if he is thinking about slam. a hand like QJx K AKxxxx Qxx for example might be in real difficulty over what to bid opposite a sound 3C preempt. Anything could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 obv pass is a LA, but i don't see why a slow 5♣ suggests bidding on - result stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Rollback from 6♣ is karma for that opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 But you also need the UI to suggest bidding, which is not that clear. That was kinda my point...pass is obviously an LA, thus no need for peers, but that isn't sufficient for an adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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