1-11-1-0, how to bid grand slam?

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result: +2 -11.1 IMPs

 

You know, this is a guaranteed 7H, but how to bid it?

[Zelandakh]

One way would be:-

 

1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal

... - 1♥ = INV+ relay

2♣ = 4+ clubs, max, GF

... - 2♦ = relay

2NT = 4 diamonds, 5 clubs

... - 3♣ = relay

4♦ = 3145, 6 controls

... - 4♥ = relay

5♦ = controls in all suits except hearts

... - 5♥ = relay

5♠ = 1 of top 3 in clubs

... - 5NT = relay

6♦ = 2 (or 3) of top 3 in diamonds, 1 of top 3 in spades

... - 7♥

 

Another would be

 

1♣ - 2♥

3♣ - 3♥

3♠ - 5♣

5♠ - 7♥

 

If you happen to play extensions to your specific ace-asking opening you can also use that:

 

4NT - 6♣ = 2 aces without ♣A

7♥

 

Easy game, no?

[mike777]

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result: +2 -11.1 IMPs

 

You know, this is a guaranteed 7H, but how to bid it?

 

 

 

 

i cannot promise 7

 

 

 

 

good posters will tell you how

[Cthulhu D]

You just need partner to cooperate enough to let you do exclusion rkcb in clubs. Your going to be better off if partner opens 1D with that lot. A strong jump shift in hearts and then bid 5C (exclusion) at the first opportunity. Zel's auction is good but I worry that partner might not cooperate with 3S when you set trumps with your rebid.

 

Also hope you are not playing with me because I will make a weak two suited overcall of 1C with wests hand.

[Cyberyeti]

Old fashioned strong jump shift and exclusion will get you there:

 

1♣-2♥-2N-5♣ etc

[mike777]

Old fashioned strong jump shift and exclusion will get you there:

 

1♣-2♥-2N-5♣ etc

 

 

what the hell? no

 

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to be fair I cannot

[Codo]

If partner opens 1 ♦ it is much easier, but he did not.

So we have to take it from 1 ♣.

If you bid 5 ♥ with this hand, you will not have exclusion in partners suit in your arsenal. And in that case, it is just a gamble and I would end up in 6 Hearts.

 

With my standard partner I would bid:

 

1♣ 1 ♥

2 ♣ 3 ♥ this sets hearts as trump and start a GF slamsearch. (Others will have other ways to set up a GF with hearts)

3 NT 5 ♣ (as 3 ♥ sets hearts as trump (with a hand with alternative strains possible, I had bid through 3. or 4. suit forcing), this must be exclusion

5♠ 7 ♥ (2 KCS, no queen of H) TY

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

5H is a stupid bid, espesially undiscussed.

 

Lets assume the opponents pass, and even if not, this may be of help for you.

 

1C - 1H

2C - 2D (1)

3NT (2) - ??? (3)

 

 

(1) NMF

(2) diamond stopper, no 3 card heart suit, max

(3) now you can at least bid 6H, if you are not sure, that 5H is forcing,

which it should, 4H would alread show SI with hearts

 

After a forcing 5H, partner will start cue bidding first round controls,

spade, clubs - I know a void in partners suit, diamonds, and you are there.

 

So I may not reach 7H in a controlled manner, but at least 6H, and since

you ended up in 5H, this is still better.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Zelandakh]

Zel's auction is good but I worry that partner might not cooperate with 3S when you set trumps with your rebid.

With a good 15 and 6 controls opposite a strong jump shift??? If you do not cue with this hand then you absolutely need to give up SJSs! Of course, even if Opener were to bid 3NT North could still follow up with 5♣. Bidding 4♥ over 3♥ with this South hand just seems too weird to me to give it any consideration.

[Cthulhu D]

With a good 15 and 6 controls opposite a strong jump shift??? If you do not cue with this hand then you absolutely need to give up SJSs! Of course, even if Opener were to bid 3NT North could still follow up with 5♣. Bidding 4♥ over 3♥ with this South hand just seems too weird to me to give it any consideration.

 

Haha, no I would be worried about a 4C or 4D, not a lack of cuebid entirely! The problem is not a lack of slam cooperation, my agreements define exclusion as requiring a jump to the 5 level so my boat is sunk if I get a 4C or 4D bid. 3S is clearly better though.

[rmnka447]

What can the 5 ♥ bid be?

 

It would be ridiculous to preempt that high opposite an opening bid. So the only possible interpretation is that responder has lots of hearts and 11 tricks. It also sets ♥s as trump.

 

Opener with two As and K ♣ should raise to 6 ♥ at a minimum.

 

If both players are astute bidders, then opener might try 5 ♠ over 5 ♥. Since the 5 ♥ bid set trump, the 5 ♥ bidder might now cue his ♣ control with 6 ♣. Then opener could show A ♦ with a 6 ♦ bid. 7 ♥ can now be bid. BUT if either player is liable to get confused by this bidding, then 6 ♥ should just be bid.

[billw55]

Stop playing goulash :lol:

 

Seriously though .. bidding systems are not designed for this, and bidding grands can be difficult with normal hands. I am no bidding whiz and can't really add anything to the proposed methods. I would only suggest, if you are going to bash, bash 6.

[Cyberyeti]

what the hell? no

 

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to be fair I cannot

I don't understand the issue you have here, playing old fashioned SJS, 2♥ is suit setting if you then follow up with an ace ask, if I wanted to bid clubs, I could bid 3♣ in this GF auction, so 5♣ is clearcut exclusion (4♣ may well be exclusion, but 5♣ is unambiguous and I don't need the space).

[xxhong]

1C 2H (strong jump shift)

2N 3H(set up H)

3S(cue) 5C(ERKC)

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result: +2 -11.1 IMPs

 

You know, this is a guaranteed 7H, but how to bid it?

[HighLow21]

5♥ is the best way to get partner to pass your bid out of sheer confusion. You now have the luxury of making game and never making use of either pointed ace.

 

Beginner: jump shift in hearts then bid 4NT. If you are afraid one of his 2 aces is in clubs, bid 6H. Otherwise bid 7. If you find out he has 1 ace, stop in 5.

 

Intermediate: jump shift in hearts, rebid hearts, and then launch your favorite ace-asking widget. Again, end up in 6H.

 

Above Intermediate: if you have an Exclusion Blackwood technique in your partnership, use it. It will get you to 7H.

 

Example:

http://www.bridgehands.com/E/Exclusion_Blackwood_Voidwood.htm

[masse24]

I sure hope my partner had that second cup of coffee and is appropriately caffeined (meaning: pay attention partner) for my "leap to game" in his first bid suit. :rolleyes:

 

It sure seems the only scientific route to the grand....but, EKCB in partner's suit carries some risk.

[awm]

1♣ - 2♥ (strong)

2NT - 3♥ (sets trumps)

3♠ - 4♣

4♦ - 5♣

5♦ - 7♥

 

Responder knows the spade ace (partner's first cue) and the diamond ace-king (partner cue'd diamonds twice). None of these cues can be shortage after the 2NT bid (which can only be short in heart).

 

No EKCB, no keycard.

 

If opener lacks the diamond king:

 

1♣ - 2♥ (strong)

2NT - 3♥ (sets trumps)

3♠ - 4♣

4♦ - 5♣

5♥ - 5♠

6♦ - 7♥

 

After the 5♠ bid, responder must be looking for a grand. Yet he clearly has clubs locked up (two cues there) and seems not to have a problem in spades (cues from both sides of the table), nor does he have a problem in trumps (no keycard, no 5NT grand slam force). The issue must relate to the diamond suit, and showing a first round control via 6♦ is a priority (note opener already denied ♦AK as he bypassed 5♦ to bid a non-forcing 5♥).

[wyman]

Am I the only one who doesn't play SJS? I think this hand is hard unless opener reverses and I can jump to set hearts.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

The problem involves setting ♥ as trump and then bidding Voidwood.

 

1C - 1H

1NT - 2D! ( NMF )

3D - 3H ( GF , because 1C - 1H, 1NT - 3H jump would be the invitational sequence )

3NT - ??

........ 4S! = kickback-RKC ( for ♥ as trump )

........4NT! = Voidwood for ♥, excluding ♠Ace

........ 5C! = Voidwood for ♥, excluding ♣Ace

........ 5D! = Voidwood for ♥, excluding ♦Ace

 

After: - 5C!

5S ( 3rd step = 2 - ♥Q ) - 7H

[rduran1216]

The meta rule is all strange bids are forcing, and this is certainly strange.

 

lookin at 2 aces id bid 6h

[the hog]

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result: +2 -11.1 IMPs

 

You know, this is a guaranteed 7H, but how to bid it?

 

Yes you posted this on rgb and I will give the same answer I gave there. 5H says bid 1 more with each high H honour. as you have all three, the bidding ends. You won't get better answers here than on there.

1C 2H

2N 3H

3N 5C exclusion Blackwood

[P_Marlowe]

What can the 5 ♥ bid be?

 

It would be ridiculous to preempt that high opposite an opening bid. So the only possible interpretation is that responder has lots of hearts and 11 tricks. It also sets ♥s as trump.

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How about Exclusion Keycard Blackwood for clubs?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Cthulhu D]

Am I the only one who doesn't play SJS? I think this hand is hard unless opener reverses and I can jump to set hearts.

 

It's the only area of the system where partner hasn't let me play bizarre hypermodern gadgetry. Actually I just haven't seen a good altenative. In single jump 1X-3Y auctions we play it as invitational, 6+ suit (taking pressure off the 1NT response in 2/1).

 

I'm thinking about suggesting that we switch to 2S for all strong jump shifts, freeing up 1C - 2D/H and 1D-1H for something else, but I don't see a huge gain from doing so. What do you play your jump shifts as?

[WellSpyder]

5H says bid 1 more with each high H honour. as you have all three, the bidding ends.

Glad to see somebody else mention this, since this is definitely what I would be expecting. Certainly a bit surprising looking at all the controls in the South hand since I can't see what partner can possibly hold just to be interested in the top hearts, but it won't do much for partnership morale if I deliberately play partner to have misbid.

[HighLow21]

Glad to see somebody else mention this, since this is definitely what I would be expecting. Certainly a bit surprising looking at all the controls in the South hand since I can't see what partner can possibly hold just to be interested in the top hearts, but it won't do much for partnership morale if I deliberately play partner to have misbid.

Agreed, since 5H in this situation is at best ambiguous; I would have read it as a heart mandate combined with an inquiry as to trump (heart) quality. Forgive me for passing 5H with my robust 4♥ singleton support...

 

This hand is actually a classic ace-asking hand with the one small twist: a desire to know whether one of the aces held is a club. Very simple. If you have Exclusion use it; if you don't, bid 6H over 1 or two aces and 7H over 3. The slam will be ice cold over 2 or 3 aces; 6H simply requires that the one ace not be in clubs (or that a club not be led), roughly a 65% chance; 6H making 7 is unfortunate when the two aces are not including the AC, but them's the breaks if you cannot ask which aces are held. (When 2 aces are held, the odds that the ace of clubs is not held is closer to 35%.)