benlessard Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 W vs R Imps (but mp answer is also interesting) 1D--(1S)--P--(2H)P--(3H)---X---(P)?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 What's in your hand? W vs R Imps (but mp answer is also interesting) 1D--(1S)--P--(2H)P--(3H)---X---(P)?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 I would expect the doubler to hold a trap pass of ♠s , in a goodish hand , including "something" in ♥ ("something" means approximately Hxx or better). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Takeout of ♥ with spades 5134/5125/4135 and not the values to bid at the 2 level but close unless a massive trap pass for ♠. Unsuitable or not in style for 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with xxx QJT98 xx xxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with xxx QJT98 xx xxxExcept that means opener is at least 4054- its gotta to be one sad hand to not TO double 2♥ or bid minors 2NT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 You have a minimum 1255 with nothing in the M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 You have a minimum 1255 with nothing in the M. Then what Cyberyeti said. cloa, making a takeout X with an ordinary 4-0-5-4 in a this auction isn't appealing to me, esp at the 2 level where partner is bound to leave it in with 5 trumps and 2HX might easily make 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Seems like a trap pass of 1♠ with values, not just spades. Strongly disagree with the idea that the double shows long hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 I would expect the doubler to hold a trap pass of ♠s , in a goodish hand , including "something" in ♥ ("something" means approximately Hxx or better).I thought everybdy played it as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with xxx QJT98 xx xxx an x (for penalty) here is badly timed--the opps may still have plenty of places to play and a penalty x here would merely warn the opps hearts is not one of those places. There is also no guarantee the opps intended tostop bidding. Waiting to x might get you a much bigger penalty especially if it becomes obvious hearts is the only place opps can play. This leaves x available for more productive concepts like a hand thatwanted to penalize 1s but has extra values and wishes to compete over 3h.(I would assume p does not have anything in hearts and is makinga general power x). With a trap pass and a couple of heart tricks itwould be easy to bid 3n so p having a heart stack makes little sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 I would expect the doubler to hold a trap pass of ♠s , in a goodish hand , including "something" in ♥ ("something" means approximately Hxx or better). ***Almost agree. Trap pass with 3-4 hearts and == a singleton Diamond == and thus AJ10,KJ10 in clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 I had KQT8xJxAxxQxx And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m. Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ? Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 The point is not to debate the merits of a dbl here, rather giving just an auction without your hand, andasking us what is in partners hand is not a particularly interesting question. Whether the dbl is badly timed or not can not be discussed without looking at what's in your hand. an x (for penalty) here is badly timed--the opps may still have plenty of places to play and a penalty x here would merely warn the opps hearts is not one of those places. There is also no guarantee the opps intended tostop bidding. Waiting to x might get you a much bigger penalty especially if it becomes obvious hearts is the only place opps can play. This leaves x available for more productive concepts like a hand thatwanted to penalize 1s but has extra values and wishes to compete over 3h.(I would assume p does not have anything in hearts and is makinga general power x). With a trap pass and a couple of heart tricks itwould be easy to bid 3n so p having a heart stack makes little sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 I had KQT8xJxAxxQxx And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m. Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ? Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work. I agree with the initial pass. They don't always unearth their side suit that you and probably partner are short in. Over 3♥ there are lots of red flags. Your secondary spade values are not pulling their weight. Your doubleton heart sucks. You have a smattering of defense in the minors, but so what? I might hate myself for it, but I think I'd just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I had KQT8xJxAxxQxx And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m. Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ? Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work. Them's the breaks, you bid it exactly right. That's exactly the hand partner should expect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 The delayed double shows the hand with spades. But I think the heart fragment thing is off when they bid and raise. We are not on the hunt anymore. Partner should not pass 3♥X with a random minimum and a doubleton heart imo. Our double just that shows we have too much to pass and that no other option was available for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 The delayed double shows the hand with spades. But I think the heart fragment thing is off when they bid and raise. We are not on the hunt anymore. Partner should not pass 3♥X with a random minimum and a doubleton heart imo. Our double just that shows we have too much to pass and that no other option was available for us. 100 % agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 This would show a decent trap pass, may be even a void in ♥. Partner should not autopass it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I had KQT8xJxAxxQxx I would have bid 1NT with your hand. But if they findhearts, you're at their mercy.Their pattern is 7=9=5=5. Your pattern is 6=4=8=8.They control the ranking suit and it's longer. E(tricks) = trumps + (HCP-20)/3 + e When the HCP are 20/20 they rate to make 9 trickswhile you rate to make only 8. Therefore on this boardthey control the auction even when the HCP is 22-18in your favor.If the minors are both 4-1, it may be difficult to stopthem from making lots of tricks.Hope your partner lead a trump. Don't allow them tomake their nine trumps separately. Also defend theother suits passively. Your tricks wont disappear. Ifthey don't hold AK of trumps and two side aces, youmay be able to hold them to 7 trump trumps and onlyone other trick in the other three suits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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