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benlessard

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You have a minimum 1255 with nothing in the M.

 

Then what Cyberyeti said. cloa, making a takeout X with an ordinary 4-0-5-4 in a this auction isn't appealing to me, esp at the 2 level where partner is bound to leave it in with 5 trumps and 2HX might easily make

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Seems like a trap pass of 1 with values, not just spades. Strongly disagree with the idea that the double shows long hearts.
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Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with

 

xxx QJT98 xx xxx

 

an x (for penalty) here is badly timed--the opps may still have plenty

of places to play and a penalty x here would merely warn the opps hearts

is not one of those places. There is also no guarantee the opps intended to

stop bidding. Waiting to x might get you a much bigger penalty especially

if it becomes obvious hearts is the only place opps can play.

 

This leaves x available for more productive concepts like a hand that

wanted to penalize 1s but has extra values and wishes to compete over 3h.

(I would assume p does not have anything in hearts and is making

a general power x). With a trap pass and a couple of heart tricks it

would be easy to bid 3n so p having a heart stack makes little sense.

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I had

 

KQT8x

Jx

Axx

Qxx

 

And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m.

 

Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ?

 

Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work.

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The point is not to debate the merits of a dbl here, rather giving just an auction without your hand, and

asking us what is in partners hand is not a particularly interesting question.

 

Whether the dbl is badly timed or not can not be discussed without looking at what's in your hand.

 

an x (for penalty) here is badly timed--the opps may still have plenty

of places to play and a penalty x here would merely warn the opps hearts

is not one of those places. There is also no guarantee the opps intended to

stop bidding. Waiting to x might get you a much bigger penalty especially

if it becomes obvious hearts is the only place opps can play.

 

This leaves x available for more productive concepts like a hand that

wanted to penalize 1s but has extra values and wishes to compete over 3h.

(I would assume p does not have anything in hearts and is making

a general power x). With a trap pass and a couple of heart tricks it

would be easy to bid 3n so p having a heart stack makes little sense.

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I had

 

KQT8x

Jx

Axx

Qxx

 

And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m.

 

Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ?

 

Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work.

 

I agree with the initial pass. They don't always unearth their side suit that you and probably partner are short in.

 

Over 3 there are lots of red flags. Your secondary spade values are not pulling their weight. Your doubleton heart sucks. You have a smattering of defense in the minors, but so what? I might hate myself for it, but I think I'd just pass.

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I had

 

KQT8x

Jx

Axx

Qxx

 

And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m.

 

Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ?

 

Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work.

 

Them's the breaks, you bid it exactly right. That's exactly the hand partner should expect.

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The delayed double shows the hand with spades. But I think the heart fragment thing is off when they bid and raise. We are not on the hunt anymore. Partner should not pass 3X with a random minimum and a doubleton heart imo. Our double just that shows we have too much to pass and that no other option was available for us.
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The delayed double shows the hand with spades. But I think the heart fragment thing is off when they bid and raise. We are not on the hunt anymore. Partner should not pass 3X with a random minimum and a doubleton heart imo. Our double just that shows we have too much to pass and that no other option was available for us.

 

100 % agree with this.

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I had

 

KQT8x

Jx

Axx

Qxx

 

 

 

I would have bid 1NT with your hand. But if they find

hearts, you're at their mercy.

Their pattern is 7=9=5=5. Your pattern is 6=4=8=8.

They control the ranking suit and it's longer.

 

E(tricks) = trumps + (HCP-20)/3 + e

 

When the HCP are 20/20 they rate to make 9 tricks

while you rate to make only 8. Therefore on this board

they control the auction even when the HCP is 22-18

in your favor.

If the minors are both 4-1, it may be difficult to stop

them from making lots of tricks.

Hope your partner lead a trump. Don't allow them to

make their nine trumps separately. Also defend the

other suits passively. Your tricks wont disappear. If

they don't hold AK of trumps and two side aces, you

may be able to hold them to 7 trump trumps and only

one other trick in the other three suits.

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