jonottawa Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 All White, matchpoints, dealer x ATxx xx AQT9xx 1C - P - 1D - 2C*(majors)X - 3S - X (penalty oriented) - P? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Yuk I'm in this situation.Both pass and 3C last round leave us better placed.4C. Just maybe they won't go 4S making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Have I shown a normal opening bid with some clubs? If so, I pass. Partner seems to want to defend 3♠x, I have two aces and a slow heart trick, and all my high cards are outside partner's suit. Why would I bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Partner made a penalty double and I have 2 aces and a stiff and a good holding in their second suit. Tough decision lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'd pass too, already showed i have clubs and holding a 6-4 with side 4 card being their suit is not good enough reason to pull. As Andy said i have 2 aces and i have xx in pd's suit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 As others have said, this is a wtp pass. Having said that, I don't like the double as natural: I like it as showing a good hand such that it invites partner to express a penalty double. This is a minimal opener (I think it is an opening bid for all but the latent Roth-Stoners amongst us). If double merely said I'd like to compete to 3♣ but can't by myself, then it is acceptable....and makes pass even more obvious. If we have misbid via double and now regret it....too bad....there is nothing more destructive to partnership confidence than making one terrible bid out of fear that we made an earlier terrible bid. If they make, and it's because we misbid over 2♣, we apologize and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 This came from today's bulletin, Appeal Case 2, page 14 http://www.acbl.org/nabc/2012/01/bulletins/db7.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Really hard to believe. Penalty double are like hieroglyph before Champollion nobody know what they mean anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Yeah, I read that in the Bulletin and was shocked that it even went to committee. Apparently the only logical alternative in such an auction is to believe the opponents instead of your partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 That's a bit of a shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 So we are all morons with no idea how to play (and rule) the game. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Wow, that's a crazy ruling... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 are EW any good? top players normally get rulings in their favour - committee members seem to be believe the crap they spout in appeals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Does opponents JUMP to 3S affect the decision to stand this double?Did my X as defending one Major affect now play penalties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 If South is 100% sure that his double shows this hand type and partner knows that, then it is a clear pass. But based on the hand North had for his 'penalty' double, clearly N/S were not that solid in their agreements. Possibly South suspected (without UI) that partner might expect a different hand for South's double. Then it is not so unreasonable to resolve the dilemma by choosing to believe the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 If South is 100% sure that his double shows this hand type and partner knows that, then it is a clear pass. But based on the hand North had for his 'penalty' double, clearly N/S were not that solid in their agreements. Possibly South suspected (without UI) that partner might expect a different hand for South's double. Then it is not so unreasonable to resolve the dilemma by choosing to believe the opponents."It's not so unreasonable to" doesn't mean the same as "There is no logical alternative to". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 I find this appeals committee ruling hard to believe. As others have said, it should not even have gone to committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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