BrianEDuran Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hi all Just a curiosity question. Does your local club allow for appeals? Please vote for each club you attent. Edit: I can only seem to vote for one club, don't know why... ThanksBrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hi all Just a curiosity question. Does your local club allow for appeals? Please vote for each club you attent. Edit: I can only seem to vote for one club, don't know why... ThanksBrian Each person can only vote once in any poll... if you wanted to allow muliple voites, you could have worded teh answers something like.. One club - yesOne club - noTwo club - both noTwo clubs - both yesTwo clubs - one yes, one no, Etc... There is a limit of 20 options for answers for any poll. ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 no... we have a small club and the td in charge makes rulings as they arise... i doubt there are enough qualified individuals to form an appeals committe in any case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Our unit has an ethics committee, but no AC. Even regionals around here only have a standing AC that only meets if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Our club has had two appeals over the last 12 months. We follow national guidelines, requiring a deposit (I think it's £20) which is returned as long as the AC deems the appeal has merit. We are lucky that the club has a significant number of experienced players and directors who have served on county and national ACs. paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 No. And thank goodness. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 The MIT Bridge Club has an appeals committee. It doesn't get used that often, but it is there if necessary. I don't understand the antipathy towards appeals commmittees expressed by some posters. It seems silly to trust a random director more than an appeals committee. I readily admit that some committees have been badly flawed (How the $^#*@ does Wolff ever get selected for these), however, this is why well run appeals committes pushlish their findings and subject their decisions to peer review... http://home.worldcom.ch/~fsb/appealse.html contains several examples of peer reviews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Two clubs, 2 appeals committees. These are absolutely essential, and a competent director will frequently make a ruling and advise you to appeal it. (I agree with richard here, why "thank goodness", Peter?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Yes, thank goodness. Directors make mistakes, alas appeal committee is needed. Naturally in a club this is not used very often as the atmosphere is more relaxed. This is especially important if you have club tournaments that have some kind of prize, monetary or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Ron writes:"(I agree with richard here, why "thank goodness", Peter?)" Club games, as least the ones I go to, are more relaxed, less competitive, and consequently have less bad behavior than the tournaments I've gone to. I like this, though I like going to tournaments once in a while, too. A different experience. Leave appeals for tournaments, where they belong. Treating club games as if they were tournaments would degrade behavior, which is in some cases bad enough. In theory, this wouldn't happen. In practice, it would, at least at my club. It would encourage the jerks, which would then have a ripple effect. The small increase in "bridge justice" wouldn't be worth it. I see this issue as comparable to that of ratings on BBO. In theory, how could it hurt? In practice... On a more general note, I took up bridge about two years ago, and love it, but some of the behavior is appalling. The lack of sportsmanship in a game played by adults for no money is remarkable, worse than anything I experienced playing sports in school. Too bad. A lot of experienced bridge players who behave well themselves have apparently developed callouses with regard to bad behavior by others, and that's fine for them. But this behavior drives beginners away from club bridge in droves. I expected people to disagree with my post. I hope I've made the reasons for my position clear. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Only if you will insist and if its a good tournament usually those who have some money in them, but not in an afternoon tournament when ppl just come to relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stars Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Hi all, Not for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doofik Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Peter, Since I can remember (and it's been a while ;) ) I've never been in a club where there were no appeals committees. Granted, those were ad hoc as the most tables we'd ever get is 25, but let me tell you, that committee was made up of the top players who today are at the top of their profession and who are very fair. The appeals committees are not there to reprimand jerks. They're there to ensure fairness. I don't understand why you'd say "thank goodness". The appeals committees deal with bidding and play, not behavior. Once you distinguish the two, the light will shine again :D Jola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadaba Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Abalucy provides a playing manager and TD for every tourney. If a Td makes a ruling the player does not agree with - they can immediately ask for a review by the Tourney Manager. Usually the TD will have already asked the TM to review because of a dispute. These are solved on the spot. After the tourney if the Member disagrees with the outcome - they are encouraged to write an email to the Club and it goes through review of our Advisors. Takes a little extra work and commitment but hopefully keeps us all comfy. (btw) when all else fails - we have a TD is always right philosophy. Standing by your valued TD's works well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 doofik writes:"The appeals committees are not there to reprimand jerks. They're there to ensure fairness. I don't understand why you'd say "thank goodness". The appeals committees deal with bidding and play, not behavior. Once you distinguish the two, the light will shine again" More than a bit condescending, don't you think? You apparently didn't read my post carefully. I understand the function of appeals committees, and I am not concerned about their competence or fairness. My point was that their very presence would encourage poorly behaving, overcompetitive players to become more so, if they knew the director's word wasn't final, as I said: "In theory, this wouldn't happen. In practice, it would, at least at my club. It would encourage the jerks, which would then have a ripple effect. The small increase in "bridge justice" wouldn't be worth it." If I get a bad ruling once in a while in a friendly club game, I could care less. I play in club games to relax and have fun. Not all players have this attitude, and this makes some of them unpleasant to play against (or to listen to at the next table). I don't want ANYTHING done which would increase this. That's why I say "thank goodness". Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doofik Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Peter, I'd be curious to find out if the existence of appeal committees indeed increases the 'jerk' behavior. Jola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 "Peter, I'd be curious to find out if the existence of appeal committees indeed increases the 'jerk' behavior." Well, I don't think you can run a simulation :blink: But perform this mental exercise: would 'jerk' behavior go down if clubs stopped awarding masterpoints? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doofik Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Peter, Are there less jerks on BBO just because there is no rating of players? Jola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 "Are there less jerks on BBO just because there is no rating of players?" I doubt it, but if there were ratings, many jerks would act worse than they do now, having "more to lose". A basic law of human behavior I have observed: the higher the stakes, the worse some people act. Perhaps your experience is different? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doofik Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 "A basic law of human behavior I have observed: the higher the stakes, the worse some people act. Perhaps your experience is different?" Obviously my experience has been different or else we would not be having this discussion :) Jola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 "A basic law of human behavior I have observed: the higher the stakes, the worse some people act. Perhaps your experience is different?" "Obviously my experience has been different or else we would not be having this discussion" I wish I could live in your universe. It sounds so much nicer than this one :) Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doofik Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Well, Peter, come on over. You're more than welcomed. Having said that you also need not to pay any attention to jerks - that's what makes my world so much more pleasant B) Jola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 enough already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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