r_prah Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s982hak64d5caqj82]133|100[/hv] What is your plan, playing a precision structure where 1♦ = 0+, and 2♣ usually guarantees 6 clubs (or very good 5)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I think i would just open 1NT if i was given such methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Since the system bid appears to be 1♦, I would open 1♦. Why would I not rebid 2♣ over partner's 1♠ response? 2♠ would be my second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Systemically I open 1d, will rebid 2h over 1s (good spade raise, can be three) or 3d over 1h (very good raise, four trumps and short diamond) or 2c over 1nt (5-card suit, wide range, does not normally have 4+diam). Obviously your system may differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_prah Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Since the system bid appears to be 1♦, I would open 1♦. Why would I not rebid 2♣ over partner's 1♠ response? 2♠ would be my second choice. This would show 5-4 either way in the minors, not just clubs. To my knowledge, this is the normal treatment in a precision framework. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 This would show 5-4 either way in the minors, not just clubs. To my knowledge, this is the normal treatment in a precision framework. To my knowledge, you're not playing a normal precision framework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Isn't this a possible 2♦ opening in Precision? Or, am I way too old-school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_prah Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Isn't this a possible 2♦ opening in Precision? Or, am I way too old-school? You're right, this is a textbook Precision 2♦ opening. At the moment, we are not playing 2♦ as the Precision style opening (which is why 1♦ is 0+, and this deal is a problem). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 If you don't play a precision 2♦ opening, then I don't see the problem with opening 1♦ and raising partner's 1♠ response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 You're right, this is a textbook Precision 2♦ opening. At the moment, we are not playing 2♦ as the Precision style opening (which is why 1♦ is 0+, and this deal is a problem). Well, if you are playing that a classic Precision 2♦ opening is handled by opening 1♦ as 0+, then it seems obvious to open 1♦. As an aside, though, you might want to reconsider structure. I agree with your general take of not liking 2♦ as the classic Precision 4-4-1-4/4-3-1-5/3-4-1-5. And, the Precision 2♣ also sucks, which is why you force 6+, I assume. You might like the core that I personally prefer: 2♦ = both minors. 2♥ is an asking bid (2♠=min3♠, 2NT=min no maj, 3♣=min 3♥, 3♦=max no maj, 3M=max 3-piece nat) 2♣ = any 4-4-4-1 (any stiff). 2♦ asks (2♥ nat min, 2♠=min 4144, 2NT+ is max one-under stiff) 1♦ = clubs or diamonds but not both, or balanced There is a lot more to this, and this is only a taste of the structure. P/M me if you want to know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 2♦: Mexican, GF primary diamonds or balanced 21-22 or balanced 27-282♥: Same as "Precision 2♦", some (3-4)(1-0)(4-5), 11-152♠: weak 22NT: weak 3 level preempt in either minor 3m: good preempt in either minor (you'd be happy to hear partner bid 3NT).1♦: 2+ diamonds, 11-15 HCP, might have 5 clubs.1NT: 10-12 balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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