rduran1216 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 1D p 3NT p4C? What does 4c mean in a 2/1 std. american context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I don't recall seeing this sequence, but I would expect as close to unanimity as one is ever going to see. 4♣ is natural and forcing. Responder is marked, in most methods, with at least a 4 card minor....I suppose he might be 3=3=2=5 with positional major holdings as well as whatever point count is shown in the partnership's methods for 3N. Opener has at least the values to play 4N, and some reason to investigate a minor suit contract....usually a slam. Btw, if opener wants to ask for keycards, a common approach is what I have seen described as Super Gerber....a jump to 5♣ over a 'to play' 3N, such as this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 1D p 3NT p4C? What does 4c mean in a 2/1 std. american context? Mikeh is wrong as usual. This means opener has 4♦+5♣ and a very weak hand. It is % 100 sign off, opener doesnt want to play game. Responder must pass. It also means you posted a question in the wrong forum, again. Seriously wtf is wrong with you man ? Anyone who thinks expert consensus is needed for this bid, needs to make a quick trip to N/B forums and stay there for about a decade before he posts on any other forum imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Mikeh is wrong as usual. This means opener has 4♦+5♣ and a very weak hand. It is % 100 sign off, opener doesnt want to play game. Responder must pass. It also means you posted a question in the wrong forum, again. Seriously wtf is wrong with you man ? Anyone who thinks expert consensus is needed for this bid, needs to make a quick trip to N/B forums and stay there for about a decade before he posts on any other forum imo. haha. There was an actual debate about this among the "local A players" just putting it to rest, thanks for the troll :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Mikeh is wrong as usual. This means opener has 4♦+5♣ and a very weak hand. It is % 100 sign off, opener doesnt want to play game. Responder must pass. It also means you posted a question in the wrong forum, again. Seriously wtf is wrong with you man ? Anyone who thinks expert consensus is needed for this bid, needs to make a quick trip to N/B forums and stay there for about a decade before he posts on any other forum imo.And there was me thinking 4♣ had to be Gerber :) Nat, F and suit setting for me so 4♦ over it would be kickback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 How can it be suit setting? Responder could easily have more diamonds than clubs, as does (presumably) opener. It just shows a big minor two suiter trying for slam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) haha. There was an actual debate about this among the "local A players" just putting it to rest, thanks for the troll :) [text deleted by adminstrator for TOS violation] Edited March 17, 2012 by inquiry text deleted for TOS violation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 There was a debate here about that sequence a few years ago on the forums in case anyone wants to try to find it. I am fairly sure justin and fred weivghed in. I would look except am on cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 How can it be suit setting? Responder could easily have more diamonds than clubs, as does (presumably) opener. It just shows a big minor two suiter trying for slam.OK, if you respond 3N with diamonds, I bid 2♦, 3N shows clubs as far as I'm concerned, pretty much guaranteed 3334. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 1D p 3NT p4C? What does 4c mean in a 2/1 std. american context?I don't understand why Responder would make this "picture bid" ( hcp-wise ).If Opener makes sound openings, 3NT = 13-15.If Opener is one of those 10-11 hcp openers, then 3NT needs to be closer to 15-17. If Responder does not have a 4 card Major, he could conserve bidding space withan GF Inverted raise, 2D! ( say he was at worst: 3 3 4 3 ) or GF 2/1, 2C! (at worst: 3 3 3 4 ). Is Mr Ace joking ? If Responder has a weak 4d/5c ... he just passes 3NT. I agree w/mikeh : 4C is natural and forcing . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Agree with mikeh - slam try in minors. 4♦ would set diamonds as suit everything else is in the context of ♣ as trumps (cues, RKCB etc...).Yuhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Mikeh is wrong as usual. This means opener has 4♦+5♣ and a very weak hand. It is % 100 sign off, opener doesnt want to play game. Responder must pass. It also means you posted a question in the wrong forum, again. Seriously wtf is wrong with you man ? Anyone who thinks expert consensus is needed for this bid, needs to make a quick trip to N/B forums and stay there for about a decade before he posts on any other forum imo. Honestly, I don't recall you being this belligerent before. You're more than welcome to disagree with MikeH, but you didn't have to express yourself in that way. Although I'm sure that MikeH can take it. What I think REALLY goes beyond the pale is insulting the OP. If you feel that this thread does not belong in Expert-class bridge, then quietly report it, and Ben will move it if he agrees. There's no need to insult anyone publicly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Honestly, I don't recall you being this belligerent before. You're more than welcome to disagree with MikeH, but you didn't have to express yourself in that way. Although I'm sure that MikeH can take it. What I think REALLY goes beyond the pale is insulting the OP. If you feel that this thread does not belong in Expert-class bridge, then quietly report it, and Ben will move it if he agrees. There's no need to insult anyone publicly.I am absolutely sure that he meant this as a joke...at least as far as I am concerned.....and I hope it was intended to be a joke re the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Timo is a shameless troll sometimes hahaha, well done sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I am absolutely sure that he meant this as a joke...at least as far as I am concerned.....and I hope it was intended to be a joke re the OP The first one has to be a joke, the 2nd one was inapproriate even if a joke, as there is a zero tolerance issue involved on that one. As to the question in the OP, it is slam try, 2nd suit. No it is not gerber, although many very good partnerships will play a jump to 5♣ (not a simple 4♣ bid as here) as "super gerber". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 The first thread that I open in this new Expert forum and it is this. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I am absolutely sure that he meant this as a joke...at least as far as I am concerned.....and I hope it was intended to be a joke re the OP Thanks for the defense Mike, i couldnt decide which one is more funny, this topic or the fact that there are people who can not see what you saw immediately....but whatever... :D http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2760/62410166.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Congratulations, we have new troll forums :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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