wank Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sqj987432hq743dc4&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1cp2d(weak)]133|200[/hv] mps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'll mess around. Start 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Pass. If 2♦ is a weak hand, won't be passed out. If I bid 4♠ now there's a possibility:a) I will be put into spade slam.b) I will propel them to a good diamond save. Besides, there's always a slight possibility 2♦ is GF and opponents forgot it (the only case when 2♦ could get passed out). However, no reason to anticipate the bidding. Bid 4♠ in the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Pass. If 2♦ is a weak hand, won't be passed out. disagree strongly. We should bid now, and when we have the short diamonds, this could easily be passed out. Opener has no reason to bid again, and if partner has 4/5 diamonds, he doesn't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 4♠. Partner probably has at least a 12-count, so this is unlikely to be a disaster. I don't think this shows a good hand: RHO may have preempted, but LHO hasn't. If I bid 4♠ now there's a possibility:b) I will propel them to a good diamond save.I've never understood this type of argument. If we bid 4♠ now, they have to decide what to do without exchanging any more information. If you allow opener to find out more about his partner's hand, why do you expect him to make a worse decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Partner may have an 18 count. So with Akx, Akx,Ax,xxxxx, he will drive us to slam. I do not fear that at all.So I go with 4 ♠ too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 looks and feels too much like a 3s bid to me vul vs nvul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I wouldn't overthink on this one. We are 8-4, bid 4S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I wouldn't overthink on this one. We are 8-4, bid 4S. lol seriously. And RHO has shown a weak hand with length in our void. I mean... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'm clearly swimming upstream here...altho I also bid 4♠, I do so only because I see it as slightly more likely to get a good result than the alternatives, of which I rate pass as the only acceptable one. There is a reason to be concerned....partner passed over 1♣, yet he rates to hold opening values, and possibly more. So why did he pass? If LHO doubles, we are imo overwhelmingly likely to go for at least 500. However, like the man says, we are 8-4, and we do have decent internal texture....so we have to bid....and confidently, of course. Partner shouldn't double 5m without having them set in his own hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 vote for 4S also. Just hope nobody chooses to bring in "We don't preempt over a preempt", and thinks it should apply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 you catch partner (me) with [hv=pc=n&n=sthat3daqj3caj943]133|100[/hv] 4♠ is the limit of the hand. playing with myself as it were, I'd be reaching for keycard. having never played with this partner before, i had to guess at his pre-empting style. knowing that his poker MO was to hit the all-in button repeatedly, I agonised and put the dummy down in 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 In other words, it doesn't matter what you do with the 8-4, as long as partner shows some restraint. Might have overcalled with 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 you catch partner (me) with [hv=pc=n&n=sthat3daqj3caj943]133|100[/hv] 4♠ is the limit of the hand. playing with myself as it were, I'd be reaching for keycard. having never played with this partner before, i had to guess at his pre-empting style. knowing that his poker MO was to hit the all-in button repeatedly, I agonised and put the dummy down in 4♠ Why would you agonize? You have a stiff spade, your diamond honors seem dubious, and you have 2 aces. Your 5 card suit was opened on your right. I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 vote for 4S also. Just hope nobody chooses to bring in "We don't preempt over a preempt", and thinks it should apply here. Interesting, I thought that bidding here is approximately the same as bidding over a weak 2♦ opening - a jump to 3♠ would show a strong hand with good spades etc. Is that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Interesting, I thought that bidding here is approximately the same as bidding over a weak 2♦ opening - a jump to 3♠ would show a strong hand with good spades etc. Is that wrong?No. I, too think 3S should be strong here....not 4, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Partner may have an 18 count. So with Akx, Akx,Ax,xxxxx, he will drive us to slam. I do not fear that at all.So I go with 4 ♠ too. I would overcall 1♣ with 1N with that hand. My partner would never pass that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Partner may have an 18 count. So with Akx, Akx,Ax,xxxxx, he will drive us to slam. I do not fear that at all.So I go with 4 ♠ too. As partner could not bid over 1C, I doubt whether he has your posted 18 count. This looks like a 4S bid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Why would you agonize? You have a stiff spade, your diamond honors seem dubious, and you have 2 aces. Your 5 card suit was opened on your right. I don't get it. er....3 aces. i've got a pretty clear 4 tricks with a little potential for more. is 8 tricks not pretty classical for a 4 level pre-empt at adverse? given i've got all the outside aces, there shouldn't be too big a problem with tempo either. AKQxxxxx spades and 5 random cards for example makes slam pretty solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Interesting, I thought that bidding here is approximately the same as bidding over a weak 2♦ opening - a jump to 3♠ would show a strong hand with good spades etc. Is that wrong?Yes it is wrong. It is true that your RHO showed a weak hand. But your LHO opened the bidding. So this is not the same situation as bidding over a preemptive opening bid. Hopefully partner also realizes that LHO opened the bidding, and will not do anything silly over 4♠ (which I agree is the call to make on this hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 :P 3♦ - perfect hand for Gerard, a convention of my own devising, which shows exactly 8 spades and 4 hearts with 5 to 11 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Yu Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 well, they say dont preempt over a preempt, but my hand could easily have game oppose as little as xx AKx xxxx xxxx, so 4♠ is mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 you catch partner (me) with [hv=pc=n&n=sthat3daqj3caj943]133|100[/hv] 4♠ is the limit of the hand. playing with myself as it were, I'd be reaching for keycard. having never played with this partner before, i had to guess at his pre-empting style. knowing that his poker MO was to hit the all-in button repeatedly, I agonised and put the dummy down in 4♠Why would you even think of doing anything but pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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