GNT hand 4

[quiddity]

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I took a flyer on this and passed in first chair. I thought we were r/w. Anyway, the auction takes a promising turn. What now?

[mike777]

strongly prefer 1s open not pass

 

give OP I guess 3d now.

 

if 1s=1nt

 

 

then i have an easy 2s now

[aguahombre]

The OP (original pass :rolleyes: ) was fine with me.

 

Can I fabricate a 3♥ splinter, now and have it mean just exactly what I want it to mean?

[JLOGIC]

*with kenrexford voice*: 3S should be a fit jump showing 6 spades and a diamond fit right?

 

I would probably just bid 4D assuming 3H is invitational and natural and not a splinter. I do not think 3S should be what I said since I might bid 7-4 in the majors like that with bad spades and good hearts but it's an interesting thought.

[aguahombre]

Is there really a hand YOU wouldn't have opened with 5 5 majors that would want to bid 3H after pard bid diamonds twice?

[JLOGIC]

Also certainly debatable. I would probably not open KQxxxx KJTxx x x and would probably want to bid 3H. I mean it's ok to discuss with your partner and specifically redefine 3H and 3S in this sequence when you're a passed hand, but I would not risk bidding 3H as a splinter when as an UPH I play it as 5-5 majors inv on the basis that it is impossible to have a natural 3H bid since I don't think it's true, and I don't think that's a practical way to play bridge at the table. I would certainly bid 3H if we had discussed it being a splinter.

[Cyberyeti]

As a passed hand (and I wouldn't pass this ever) I would make a 2♠ fit jump over 1♦.

 

I can either bid 2♥ bourke style or a 3♥ splinter over 2♦.

[Codo]

I dislike your first pass and hate your second one. But I am not sure what to bid now. The splinter idea is the best, but I surely would not invent that for this hand. I try Justins 3 ♠ and hope that partner will understand this.

[gnasher]

I think it's normal to play

pass-1

♦

2

♠

as a fit jump. Is that just an English thing?

[mikeh]

I think it's normal to play

pass-1

♦

2

♠

as a fit jump. Is that just an English thing?

no

[TWO4BRIDGE]

p - 1D

2S! ( fit-jump by a passed hand )

[Fluffy]

I play 2♠ response as very weak, to play if you have 18-19 balanced.

[inquiry]

I play 2♠ response as very weak, to play if you have 18-19 balanced.

 

Why didn't you open 2♠? If too weak for 2♠, why risk a misfit when partner overcalled opened? Fit jumps by passed hand (see partnership bidding at bridge by robson/segal) has been very effective for me, and gives life to a bid (like 2♠) here that really has no other truly useful meaning.

[Fluffy]

partner didn't overcall Ben, he opened the bidding

[JLOGIC]

I think it's normal to play

pass-1

♦

2

♠

as a fit jump. Is that just an English thing?

 

Normal in USA also

[bluecalm]

Just out of curiosity, if you play that:

1D - 2H = 5S-4+H below invite

1D - 2S = 5S-4+H invite

 

Does it change for passed hand ?

[gszes]

change my hand to

AJxxxx

x

Qxxx

xx

 

and I would bid 4d

 

but here I think that risks missing 3n far too often

the extra queens convince me to bid

 

3d

 

this not only leaves 3n in the picture but might

also enable us to reach 4s far easier that a

direct jump to 4d.

[JLOGIC]

Just out of curiosity, if you play that:

1D - 2H = 5S-4+H below invite

1D - 2S = 5S-4+H invite

 

Does it change for passed hand ?

 

no

[JLOGIC]

change my hand to

AJxxxx

x

Qxxx

xx

 

and I would bid 4d

 

but here I think that risks missing 3n far too often

the extra queens convince me to bid

 

3d

 

this not only leaves 3n in the picture but might

also enable us to reach 4s far easier that a

direct jump to 4d.

 

Yes, but 4D shows a much better hand than 3D, so you risk missing game in general by bidding 3D instead of 4D.

[quiddity]

Partner had x Axxx AKxxx Kxx. I tried the undiscussed 3H "splinter" and we had an amusing auction to 6D. Spades and trumps broke so all was well; at the other table the opponents opened 2S and played there.

We hadn't discussed the meaning of 3H even by an unpassed hand; I'm not sure if that makes the bid more or less egregious here.

[aguahombre]

So, my dislike of opening this hand was accidentally a good thing. Or, maybe it is just "resulting"....based on years of results.

[Poky]

Play 1m-2M as 6M invitational and you won't have guessing problems.

[aguahombre]

Play 1m-2M as 6M invitational and you won't have guessing problems.

And partner guesses the diamond fit?

[Cyberyeti]

Play 1m-2M as 6M invitational and you won't have guessing problems.

What, a hand that pretty much doesn't exist as a passed hand ?

[kenrexford]

*with kenrexford voice*: 3S should be a fit jump showing 6 spades and a diamond fit right?

 

I would probably just bid 4D assuming 3H is invitational and natural and not a splinter. I do not think 3S should be what I said since I might bid 7-4 in the majors like that with bad spades and good hearts but it's an interesting thought.

 

Good voice, but do you really want that in your head?

 

That said, I think 3♠ has to be right on this hand. With 7♠/4♥ and garbage spades, the hand you are concerned about, why not just 2♠ (P-1♦-1♠-2♦-2♠)? With what hand are you not oipening 1♠ but now insistingt on your suit when partner rebids his own? If that hand might possibly exist, play 2♠ making 4♠ once in a blue-friggin'-moon but have no problem with this much more common problem. That is, if you do not open 2♠ with this hand.

 

 

For me, though, I would normally make a flower bid as others do (P-1♦-2♠), usually a 5-piece in spades.