Phil Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 R/W and partner opens 1♣. RHO overcalls 2N to show the reds. ♠KTxxxx ♥Kxx ♦x ♣Jxx. You can bid a NF 3♠ or 3♥ to show at least an invite+ in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Am I playing teams or MPs? ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 3♠ If I can't bid 3♠ on this, what do I need? It's closer to a pass, for me, than to an invitational 3♥ (I am not saying that I see pass as reasonable). Partner has rights over 3♠...it's not like I show a yarb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Its teams. Good opponents this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 A bad 3♠ bid is still a 3♠ bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 3♠ wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Pass, then 3S? Maybe I am influenced by my own style: 3S, though NF, would be invite values with spades, whereas 3H would be G.F. with spades. I know that is not what OP's conditions are, but it is hard to imagine the narrow gap between 3S now, and delayed 3S after passing with the OP style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Pass, then 3S? Maybe I am influenced by my own style: 3S, though NF, would be invite values with spades, whereas 3H would be G.F. with spades. I know that is not what OP's conditions are, but it is hard to imagine the narrow gap between 3S now, and delayed 3S after passing with the OP style.I think the main issue is trying to anticipate what LHO will do. Given our stiff ♦, there seems to be reason to expect a minimum of a 9 card fit, with 10 being common, and maybe more.....so I think there are dangers and include: LHO bids 3 red and you balance with 3♠....you have removed the pressure from the opps and given them a better chance of doing the right thing, rather than subjecting LHO to a decision as to whether to stretch over 3♠ LHO bids 4 red and now can you afford to balance 4♠? Can you afford not to? Wouldn't you feel a LOT happier had you bid 3♠? If partner were to pass 4 red, you are done....and if partner bids 4♠, you will expect to have a good play for the contract. There are other problems associated with pass, while (and I am not ignoring them) the risks from a slightly aggressive 3♠ appear to be less significant, at least to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 This is the type of hand that you play u/u for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I must be getting aggro in my old age. At the table, I thought this was an invitational 3♠ call so I bid 3♥. At these colors I believe this sets up a force as well, so when the auction continued: [hv=d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c2n3h4h4s5h]133|100[/hv] I had the choice of doubling off 5♥ or bidding 5♠. I chose to double. -750 on a suboptimum lead. Mark held: QTx x Axxx KQxxx. Teammates said my bidding was 'reasonable'. umok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 You have nice teammates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Is it really that clear 3♠ ?I would bid that as nothing good ever happened from hiding majors 6 carders but I would feel a bit worried about going for a number there. I believe this sets up a force as well Invite+ shouldn't set force imo, especially in situations where both sides could have a lot of distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Bidding is tempting, but I would pass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Even with KQxxxx in spades rather than KTxxxx i would still just bid 3S NF, non inv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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