daveharty Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I was kibitzing some friends last night and the following wild hand came up: [hv=pc=n&s=sakhq5daj9653c942&w=sq4hak98632dt4c53&n=sj98hjt74dkq872ck&e=st76532hdcaqjt876]399|300[/hv] West was dealer. At the table I was watching, the auction went: 3H (p) p (4D)p (5D) 5H* (dbl)all pass *There was, shall we say, some discussion about this call Surely one of the strangest dives ever. The defense started well: cK led and taken by the ace; another club ruffed by North; two diamonds ending in the South hand; sK...and now South fell from grace, and led another club rather than cashing the other spade first. Declarer pitched her other spade loser and the defense had collapsed two tricks, turning an epic 1100 into a pedestrian 500. I was surprised that 5D made several times, but a second look revealed the defense isn't completely trivial; at one sample table it started hA, low heart for partner to ruff...and still waiting. Oddly enough, as Tate pointed out (he played the hand at a different table), the only game that may be on double-dummy is 4S by EW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Oh crap, I didn't know that the RESPONDER to the preempt dove in 5H. Hahahaha! Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Does anyone know the odds of being dealt a double void are? My intuition tells me about 100,000 to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 4♦: not a very good bid, not that anyone asked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Does anyone know the odds of being dealt a double void are? My intuition tells me about 100,000 to 1. I had eight double voids in 2009, so I think your intuition might be a skosh off. In other news, I saw the biggest hand I have ever seen on BBO last night in a JEC match. Michael Seamon picked up AKx AQx AKJx AKQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I had eight double voids in 2009, so I think your intuition might be a skosh off. In other news, I saw the biggest hand I have ever seen on BBO last night in a JEC match. Michael Seamon picked up AKx AQx AKJx AKQ. I would calculate the odds if I had my MS Excel reinstalled (after a complete hard drive failure on my laptop). :-/ That is a monster. 30 HCP. Was there a slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I was off an order of magnitude... it's almost exactly 10,000 to 1, not 100,000. 13 black cards is 40,000 to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 4♦: not a very good bid, not that anyone askedWhat would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 3nt. i'd much rather pass than bid 4♦ this hand's really quite crap. if i'm going to stick my neck out, i should at least do so with the hope of bagging a game bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I would calculate the odds if I had my MS Excel reinstalled (after a complete hard drive failure on my laptop). :-/ That is a monster. 30 HCP. Was there a slam? Yes, 7N was cold. Partner had ♥KJTxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 ROFL at East's 5♥ bid. I remain shocked that people supposedly with a brain can bid like this. I've always felt that many players bid 5 over 5 too often, but this really is rediculous. If East feels that he must get active, just bid 4♥right away. If I am West I leave after this hand, announcing that I have to go walk my ferret. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 3nt. i'd much rather pass than bid 4♦ this hand's really quite crap. if i'm going to stick my neck out, i should at least do so with the hope of bagging a game bonus.Well, your judgment is certainly spot on here. If the defense gets the maximum, you are down 5. Of course, if they screw up (a low heart lead, for example), you might actually make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well, your judgment is certainly spot on here. lol that sounds like sarcasm, but if so it's rather misplaced - 4♦ bought 5 card support and a singleton in the right suit and game was still hopeless. if you try to think what you need from partner to make 5♦ you'll realise quite how bad 4♦ is. the only hands where 4♦ is the right contract, such as this, you'll end up playing 5♦-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 lol that sounds like sarcasm, but if so it's rather misplaced - 4♦ bought 5 card support and a singleton in the right suit and game was still hopeless. if you try to think what you need from partner to make 5♦ you'll realise quite how bad 4♦ is. the only hands where 4♦ is the right contract, such as this, you'll end up playing 5♦-1Yes, it was sarcasm, and it is not misplaced. I strongly disagree with the 3NT call. Now, if you had a card in clubs you might risk it. But with only a partial stop in the suit preempted and another suit with no stop (besides the fact that there is no assurance that your long suit will run), 3NT is too big of a position to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Oddly enough, as Tate pointed out (he played the hand at a different table), the only game that may be on double-dummy is 4S by EW.Isn't 5♦(N) cold ? the man with the A♥ doesn't get in till you've pitched one on the J♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I saw a 30-count on vugraph once. It was a world-class pair playing but they messed up, getting to the wrong grand slam (4-2 fit IIRC) :( ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted March 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Isn't 5♦(N) cold ? the man with the A♥ doesn't get in till you've pitched one on the J♠.Yep looks like you're right, although it's probably a theoretical possibility only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I was off an order of magnitude... it's almost exactly 10,000 to 1, not 100,000. 13 black cards is 40,000 to 1. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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