4-card mixed raise of major by passed hand

[bd71]

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Exact hand details really aren't relevant.

 

Assuming some type of Drury is in place, do you have any special agreement to show this hand type when you are a passed hand?

 

As a passed hand, should you retain the 3x mixed raise from Bergen (or Reverse Bergen)?

 

For that matter, should you retail the 3M weak/pre-emptive raise from Bergen as a passed hand?

 

EDITED: sorry, hand shape is 4414 not 5314. Flytoox's post was based on the original/mistaken hand.

[flytoox]

I will just bid a simple 4S.

[BunnyGo]

another option is to bid 2NT as an anonymous splinter. This is just on the weak side of that. If I didn't bid that, Id bid 2 spades.

[JLOGIC]

If you don't want to play anything fancy and you play drury then just bid 3S which should show a mixed raise (as a weak raise is unnecessary with 2 passed opps).

 

Playing bergen and also playing drury does not make a lot of sense, you don't need the limit raise and you don't need the weak raise.

[Flameous]

Playing bergen and also playing drury does not make a lot of sense

 

Yay, now I got it from Justin :lol:

 

I'd consider this a bit light for mixed but I want to give partner some leeway for 3rd seat openings. If partner doesn't routinely open AQTx of spades and little else in 3rd seat, 3♠ is just fine.

[jallerton]

I like to play 2NT as showing an unspecified mini-splinter here, implying reasonable playing strength but not enough high card strength for Drury . Much of the time, Opener will just sign off in 3♠ or 4♠, but if he wants to know the location of the shortage he can ask with step 1.

 

I recently played with a partner who wanted to play passed hand responses of 2NT/3m to 1 of a major as natural, invitational (he has a very sound style of 1-level opening bids). I wanted a way to be able to bid these distributional 4-card raises, so we agreed to play the raise to 3 of a major as showing that hand type (again step 1 asks for shortage).

[TWO4BRIDGE]

If you don't want to play anything fancy and you play drury then just bid 3S which should show a mixed raise (as a weak raise is unnecessary with 2 passed opps).

 

Playing bergen and also playing drury does not make a lot of sense, you don't need the limit raise and you don't need the weak raise.

Thx, Justin...( re: nix on the "weak raise"/w4 ). As a passed hand, I didn't have a mixed raise w/4 until now ( I previously rolled it into 2S ).

[fromageGB]

Depends on the Drury and the soundness of the opening, of course. I would not like to play this in 3♠ opposite a flat 10 count, so I show a 4 card raise by bidding 2♣. If partner has a genuine opener and bids 2♦ I can bid 2♥ to show a lower end 4, and if he has a hand that wants to invite game he makes a 2NT trial bid and on this I show a short/no values suit with 3♦. That should find game if there is one.

 

I could treat it as an invitational 4 card raise and rebid 2♠, and that could be better judgement, but what I would not like to do is commit to the 3 level without hearing that partner has a sound opening.