aguahombre Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I will have to check with the Mafia about that. My guess is they don't call their system 2/1 or SAYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Agua, you can play a 2/1 gf system and still use Mafia responses. We have been through this before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Hanoi5..... I'm ready to "see" partner's hand whenever you are ready to show it. [ I think I tried to be a bit too clever with my Sp Q-ask ( post # 18 )If partner has shown, 9 cards in ♥ ♣, then the 3S cue could easily have been shortness ( and not the ♠ K ) as many have suspected. So, a more prudent plan would be to ask for the ♥ Q .And kriegel's suggestion to use Kantar's 4C! = 6-Ace RKC is better . However, I would only include the "higher"-Q ( ♥ here ) in the replies ( it makes the replies so much easier ). The "lower"-Q ( ♣ here ) would be included in the King replies . ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Partner held ♠x ♥KJ9xx ♦AQx ♣AJxx. Only one pair got to the club slam, all the others went to hearts where only 11 tricks were available. 1♥-1♠ was the beginning of their bidding. 2♣ by opener followed by KC. 16 imp's for them. After 2♣-3♣ responder has to give up hearts which isn't easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I wouldn't get too concerned about both queens in double fit- six key situations. In most cases the asker has one or the other; otherwise perhaps a different route than Wood would be taken. Such is the case, here. Anyway, it was easy to establish both fits on this hand via 2/1 by the time 3H occurred ---and as shown by many above, easy to abandon hearts for slam and choose 7♣ or 7N when all the keys, but no heart queen are possessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Partner held ♠x ♥KJ9xx ♦AQx ♣AJxx. Only one pair got to the club slam, all the others went to hearts where only 11 tricks were available. 1♥-1♠ was the beginning of their bidding. 2♣ by opener followed by KC. 16 imp's for them. After 2♣-3♣ responder has to give up hearts which isn't easy. edit I put this up to discuss how to reset trumps but I think opener should really jump to 3s not rebid 3c. Opener has a huge hand across from a gf 2clubs. 1h=2c3c=3h4c=4d4nt=5d5h=5nt6c=pass or 7c? 2c could only be a 4 card suit.3c could be only 3 card raise but often 4, does not promise extras.3h=resets hearts as trumps, 3 card raise.4c=resets clubs as trumps...4 clubs4d=rkc in clubs4nt=2 deny qc5d=specific K ask, deny KH, grand try5h=KH5nt=KD, deny Ks As I pointed out in my first post the hard part is having agreements on what is trumps and what is rkc. Not an easy hand.--- As I said opener should really jump to 3s here IMO. 1h=2c3s=4d4nt=5d5h=5nt6c or 7c=7c 3s=splinter4d=rkc in c5d=grand try specific k ask deny kh5h=KH5nt=kd deny ks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 ...... easy to abandon hearts for slam and choose 7♣ or 7N when all the keys, but no heart queen are possessed.If you have a way to ask for the ♥Q and you find it is "missing", then 7♣ seems safer ... since you may need a ♥-ruff ( hopefully only 1) but 2 ruffs may still be OK ) to establish 13 tricks . [ Of course it is known ahead of time that the 3rd ♥ in the short ♥ hand can be discarded on the ♦ Ace ]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Really? Declarer won the club lead in hand, drew another round and ruffed two spades in his hand before entering the table and drawing the last trump to claim 13 tricks. This seems better than setting up hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Really? Declarer won the club lead in hand, drew another round and ruffed two spades in his hand before entering the table and drawing the last trump to claim 13 tricks. This seems better than setting up hearts.If the "long ♣" hand did the "asking" , he doesn't know about the ♦Q . But after dummy falls, ruffing two ♠ is the better line.In either case, 7♣ should be the contract.... since both involve ruffing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Really? Declarer won the club lead in hand, drew another round and ruffed two spades in his hand before entering the table and drawing the last trump to claim 13 tricks. This seems better than setting up hearts.Of course it is. The diamond queen was a bonus, this time. I think twofor was referring to picturing the play during the auction. Oops, twofor took care of that himself :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raff90 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 cause you cant show 5 clubs and 4 spades anymore.and after 2clubs gf your partner will can still bid 2 spades to show 4 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 cause you cant show 5 clubs and 4 spades anymore. snipped WRONG! As an example: 1H 1S1NT2N = a) invite with 6+m, or b) GF with 5+C Now 3C = rejects C, maybe accepts D 3D = accepts C, rejects D else = GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 AS i SAID in second post....bid splinter 3s over 2c...you have a really good hand.... 3c over 2c can really be nothing in many styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 We prefer to show the gf raise for partners major immediatly. But there is nothing wrong with 1S. It keeps the bidding low, gives opener the most room ro describehis hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 There is very useful bidding idea that if you have only 4♠ and GF hand you don't bid 1S after 1H but you start with 2/1.You need good system after 2/1 to make it work probably but it save you tons of trouble and benefits are there. For example: 1H - 1S2H - 3C/D now promises 5 spades and: 1H - 1S2D - 3C = promises 5 spades again Which is very useful for game/slam exploration purposes.After 2/1 it's good to play that: 1H - 2C/2D2S - 5-4 majors, any strenght and then relay for pc/shape follows. It's even better to reverse it (or in other words play symmetrical as in 1S - 2C/D):1H - 2C/2D-2H - 5-4majors-2S - one suited hand with hearts This way after 2H you have two relays 2S/2N. You could use 2S as promising H support and 2N as denying it (again symmetrical with 1S - 2C/D - 2H). This way you have a lot of space for exploration.One additional bonus of this agreement is that: 1H - 2C/D2H/S (depending what you agree) - 2N Defenders don't know if declarer has 4 spades here and spade is what they lead on those auctions so you could be waiting there with your AQTx. 1♥-1♠ was the beginning of their bidding. 2♣ by opener followed by KC. 16 imp's for them. After 2♣-3♣ responder has to give up hearts which isn't easy. 3C should promise extras so now you have basically grand slam force depending on keycards.With 5H-4C in 12-14 range you bid 2H and after 2N from partner:3C - 4clubs (then relay for shortness)3D - 3clubs (then relay for 6th heart) Enough of improving 2/1 for today :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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