Hanoi5 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Red vs White, Teams: ♠AJxx♥Axx♦K♣KQxxx 1♥-Pa-??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raff90 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 hmm i dont really see the problem?you only want to have the first bid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 2C, then it depends on what partner does and whether or not we're playing SAYC or 2/1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 In a game forcing auction I am happy to bid my longest suit first, esp. if I can use the cheapest 2/1 to create a forcing auction.I would not look for a spade game but prefer hearts. If we need discards in a long suit, we have clubs avaiable, so no need to prefera 4-4 spade game to a 5-3 heart game. And the only suit we may need to discard are spades anyway. We can ruff diamonds. .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 2♣ initially no matter what. The rest depends on system/agreements. I will obviously not make a passable call below 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 I also with start with 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 2C! ( 2/1 GF ) ... what's next ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 2♣, far too strong to splinter, can't bid J2n with 3, what else were you thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now? 3h Now it is getting tricky will we be able to sort out the best trump suit....not easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?Easy... 3H showing 3 card support and a double-fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?3♥, we have a double fit :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I don't see your problems. 2C followed by 3H is totally normal; there is no rocket science here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 3h Now it is getting tricky will we be able to sort out the best trump suit....not easy.This is a valid point. Give partner something like: X KXXXX AXX AXXX, and we probably feel good about a grand in clubs, but 6H might go down. Of course, that doesn't change the 3H bid at this point, which establishes 6 keycards and brings in the heart queen. Partner's distribution in spades and diamonds might be more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Excellent. So far, so good. Partner cue-bids spades (which could be first round or second round control). What next? In fact, I suppose you'll get to a point where you'll ask key-cards and partner will show 0-3 with 5♦. What then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?Now 3♥ showing double fit and thinking slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Excellent. So far, so good. Partner cue-bids spades (which could be first round or second round control). What next? In fact, I suppose you'll get to a point where you'll ask key-cards and partner will show 0-3 with 5♦. What then?Queen ask, whatever that is for you 1430 folks who don't play Kickback. Then choose 7N if he has the heart queen, and 7 clubs if not. If he had zero, instead of three, we will discuss the auction in the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Excellent. So far, so good. Partner cue-bids spades (which could be first round or second round control). What next? In fact, I suppose you'll get to a point where you'll ask key-cards and partner will show 0-3 with 5♦. What then?If you "asked" with 4S! = 6-ace RKC including ♥Q but not ♣Q, then after the 3 key card answer, you could ask for the ♥Q BELOW 5H . However, instead, let's make a 3rd rnd Ctrl-ask for ♠ -- something we learned in a recent thread. And that is by-passing the 5♠ ( K-ask ) with 5NT! ( essentially, the ♠Q-ask ) . Replies are:6H = no ♠Q7H = x x doubleton ♠6NT = ♠Q6S = ♠Q J If you get the ♠Q reply, you can count 13 tricks in 7NT :4s, 2h, 2d, 5c = 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Queen ask, whatever that is for you 1430 folks who don't play Kickback. Then choose 7N if he has the heart queen, and 7 clubs if not. If he had zero, instead of three, we will discuss the auction in the bar. I suppose your partner doesn't support clubs with 3 to AJ or to the AT. What can go wrong if you bid 1♠ over 1♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Queen ask, whatever that is for you 1430 folks who don't play Kickback. Then choose 7N if he has the heart queen, and 7 clubs if not. If he had zero, instead of three, we will discuss the auction in the bar. I suppose your partner doesn't support clubs with 3 to AJ or to the AT. What can go wrong if you bid 1♠ over 1♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriegel Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 In Roman Keycard Blackwood, Eddie Kantar suggests using 4m as RKB in double-agreement sequences. This gives us more room - very useful, considering we have 6 keycards plus 2 queens to deal with. If you buy into this, you'll bid 4♣ and the auction will proceed: 4♣ - 4♥ (0 or 3, obviously 3)4♠ (queen-ask) - let's say 5♦ (3rd step = higher ranking queen; 1st = neither, 2nd = lower, 3rd = higher, 4th = both) Now we know partner has something like ♠x ♥KQxxx ♦Axx ♣Axxx, assuming partner cuebid a singleton spade (he could also have the king). If you're willing to gamble on 3-2 hearts (or partner holding the jack or similar), you an bid 7NT now, or the IMP-smart 7♣, (1 spade, 5 hearts, 2 diamonds, 5 clubs). If you're worried about that, you can ask for kings, 5♠ - if partner shows the king of spades, now if you get a bad heart break you still have a spade finesse or a squeeze to fall back on - or if you don't want to risk a lot of IMPs to win a few, bid the nearly laydown 7♣. If instead, partner shows no queens with 4NT, 7♣ is still pretty good (opposite ♠x ♥Kxxxx ♦Axx ♣Axxx, and you might try that. Or, you could ask for kings to see if partner cuebid shortness or the king of spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 What can go wrong if you bid 1♠ over 1♥?Between "lots and everything " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriegel Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Between "lots and everything " . Like, for example, 2♥? Now you'll have to make a fancy 3♣ bid, which might not be natural at all... then, if partner shows 3-card spade support, you'll have to bid 4♥ to show your support (true, this shows more than if you had raised to 4♥ directly, but partner might not be able to make an intelligent decision about whether or not slam is good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Nothing can go right when you have longer clubs than spades, game forcing values, and heart support and respond 1S. You have started to show nothing, and will spend the next 2 rounds of bidding in confusion...still not having shown what you have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Nothing can go right when you have longer clubs than spades, game forcing values, and heart support and respond 1S. You have started to show nothing, and will spend the next 2 rounds of bidding in confusion...still not having shown what you have. That is incorrect if you are playing a Mafia style of responses. However you need to have agreed this and know your followup responses of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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