ggwhiz Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I've been toasted roasted and left a couple of threads bleeding from the eyeballs. I too am sorry for your bad news but TOUGHEN UP! You are needed. Mind you, if venting here gives you strength I'm all for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 the nature of the medium does lend itself to the instant expression of thoughts that look undoubtedly silly or regrettable in retrospect.F2F conversation does that too, just it's not recorded, unless NewsCorp are following you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Tate needs a group hug http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1673/grouphugc.jpg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 http://xkcd.com/386/ Dude...how true this is :D I have to admit i did that, and not only i didnt get any after i am done replying to the "wrong" person on the net, i had to deal with a ***** face the next 2-3 days :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Tate needs a group hug http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1673/grouphugc.jpgHahahaha! This just made my day. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Bro you are just unlucky that you have not been taken under the protective upvote wings of Lurpoa or Lurpoas. Once she or "they" get to like you, you can triple the upvote numbers of veteran posters here in no time ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I've had my share of flame wars in the past. Usually a friendly PM trying to resolve the issue with "the enemy" does wonders, because in many cases he/she didn't even realize your feelings got hurt in some way. And usually I react quite aggressively when something personal is bothering me, so I'm equally at fault... Many of us appear to be hard to someone else on the forum, but actually we're all fluffy bunnies. ;) Very sorry to hear about your girlfriend. EDIT: I just read a few threads and must say that you are the one attacking people. You shouldn't be surprised that you get that many "ad hominem" attacks... Stop quoting people for a month and see if the climate changes. Also don't claim things without arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 but actually we're all fluffy bunnies. ;) Do not include me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwar0123 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 As a new poster myself who has also gotten into arguments with some of the established posters I can sympathize a little. I've been derided by phil and mocked a couple of times by jlogic and others, mostly while having a fairly long argument with rogerclee who ironically was very polite through the whole thing. Anyway, people will always raise to the defense of known posters, that is normal. It is human nature to rally behind the people you respect when they are threatened by an unknown outsider. You are not going to change this and in 7 years when you are the known poster I'd question whether or not you still think it should change. They earned that respect through countless conversations proving the merit and thoughtfulness of their posts. Appeal to authority is not always a logical fallacy and when the context is complex and highly subjective, it rarely ever is. Experience and merit count for an awful lot in this context for very valid reasons. I've recently read several of the threads that were the genesis for this thread and I have to say that phil is right when he picked this quote out as one of your key issues.I may not be the best bridge player in the world, but I know when I'm right.Even the best bridge player in the world would question if they are right when their peers universally disagree with them. And the implication here is not that I think you are peers with those that have disagreed with you, far from it, but even if you were the best bridge player in the world, your statement is still flawed. This leads me to the 2nd issue I see. You paint far to much in black and white. You may not agree with the 1♠ overcall, you may not like it but even you upvoted jlogic when he gave the full explanation of why he would do it. Sure he could go down 1100, but the extreme rarity of that is dwarfed by the chances of a double game swing in his favor. Regardless of whether or not that changes how you would bid in that situation calling the overcall ludicrous is a very black and white statement when the issue is far more subjective and nuanced. Which brings me to the final issue I see. Respect. You keep referring to the many ad hominem attacks made against you. In actuality they are not ad hominem attacks. An ad hominem attack is saying you are wrong because you are a clown, not saying you are a clown because you are wrong. There is a subtle but important difference, one is a logical fallacy the other is just being disrespectful(it might help you see the difference if you consider that you were in fact a professional clown). And they have been disrespectful, no doubt, but they are just returning the disrespect that they see you giving by calling people's bids ludicrous and actually someone else made quite a lengthy list of examples which I am sure you can recall. The point being, while you may not be calling people names, you are being no less disrespectful and honestly quite a lot more disrespectful and generally initiating the disrespect. Anyway, I am sorry about your girlfriend, I hope she gets better and I hope you don't take this to harshly I suffer a lot of the same issues which my decades of trolling forums has helped me learn to spot and vanquish in my own posts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Sorry about girlfriend. Not much I can say about that. One thing about bidding threads: there's a lot of superstition and incidental evidence involved in a lot of posts (mine too!). People will say stuff like "I've been this convention for 20 years and it never caused a problem for me [hence it is a good convention]". Note that you will never have this in play threads. No one will say "I always take the finesse when I have 9 cards missing the queen and it works more often than not", because it is demonstrably false. Now of course not every hand can be deduced mathematically, but some can (notably suit combinations). And it's also fine to say "usually a 3-3 split is 36% but now that opponents have been relatively quiet, it is more than that." - this is not strictly quantifiable any more, but it is still much more objective than some example hand or another when a particular call works wonders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 http://xkcd.com/386/http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_V_puxfswf0c/THSprwaEKCI/AAAAAAAAACs/BQG6QwGjWTE/s1600/internet-serious-business-cat.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 No one will say "I always take the finesse when I have 9 cards missing the queen and it works more often than not", because it is demonstrably false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Hi Tate, I understand your sentiments. Sometimes the internet community is very rude. This is sometimes even true in a highly social community like the bbf. -It is not just the anonomity. Sometimes people tried to be funny and hurt others without intentions. -If I call someone a clown while looking in his face, he will be in a much better position to understand my intentions then when I just write it. (BTW Czaba is a clown)-Sometimes personal attacks are a matter of misunderstandings. Maybe the youth has words which are insulting to the senior citizens. Maybe non native English speakers write something what is not insulting in their language but in yours.- Sometimes you are annoyed and answer to a "silly" statement very emotional. And even worse: You are the only one who think that the statement is silly. But this is just one part of the truth. The other part is: You came here and claimed to be an expert. You insulted others. Your wording about your opinion is quite strong. You make your opinions look like the eternal truth. This is bad, even if ou are right. But if you hold a minority view, you better be careful with your wording. But good news are comming: Despite the fact that you more or less annoyed "anybody", many posters tried to be helpful to you in this threat. And everybody gives you pardon for your insults. Hopefully you grant us your pardon for our insults, too. But whatever we do here. This is not real life, it does not really matter. So hopefully that part of your life will improve dramatically. All the best wishes to you and your girlfriend. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 But this is just one part of the truth. The other part is: You came here and claimed to be an expert. You insulted others. Your wording about your opinion is quite strong. You make your opinions look like the eternal truth. This is bad, even if ou are right. But if you hold a minority view, you better be careful with your wording. But good news are comming: Despite the fact that you more or less annoyed "anybody", many posters tried to be helpful to you in this threat. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I think you're all a bunch of WIMPs. Cat pictures? Cartoon characters HUGGING? Christ. You all suck. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 (3) Poking holes in arguments. This is something like the following: you type a 500-word, well-reasoned argument, and get no credit for the valuable analysis in any of it, but someone points out that you said something like "partner is sacrificing" instead of "partner might be sacrificing." (4) Incorrect interpretation of facts. For example, someone says "so-and-so believes this hand is worth a takeout double" when, actually, the original post is either ambiguous or clearly NOT saying that. (5) Deifying of specific experts. This one annoys me the most, because it's the most pervasive, in my opinion. Does anyone here feel that, simply by the merit of something OTHER than the content of the posts, certain people are given credit and respect blindly, while others cannot win no matter how sound their arguments are? Personally, I don't care if Charles Goren himself were posting in these forums. If there was (i) a factual error, (ii) an ambiguity, or (iii) a dangerous bit of advice given, I would feel compelled to call him out on it rather than just defer to his reputation. In fact, I would feel more compelled to call Goren out on it, because I know that others know what a highly-touted expert he is. Therefore his words are going to be taken much more seriously than average, and therefore must be held to the highest possible standard. A few things: + When you feel "compelled to call someone out" you are adding to the confrontational attitudes. Errors can be pointed out, or different opinions expressed, without calling anyone out. This confrontational attitude often turns into the sort of "poking holes" arguments that you don't like. + Yes, some posters receive respect for things other than current content. Often past content. But, also for offline results. It's quite possible this respect is deserved. + If you're concerned that your posts don't get enough respect, perhaps you are looking for the wrong things from this forum. Rather than hoping others will respect you, just read and learn from those you respect while ignoring the others. If discussing rather than just reading will help you more, discuss in a respectful manner and stop if the discussion gets unhealthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 :P Hope your girlfriend will be OK. I did read one of your flame wars that was started when you said that a second seat vul overcall of one heart with one spade holding:♠ J1097x♥ 109x♦ AKxx♣ xwas "ludicrous". Personally, it's a little light for me, too. On the internet, you can usually avoid riling up all but the real a**holes by preceding your opinions with imo or imho. Our mamas didn't teach us internet manners, so we all have to learn them later in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I think you're all a bunch of WIMPs. Cat pictures? Cartoon characters HUGGING? Christ. You all suck. Would it kill you to add imho to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I think you're all a bunch of WIMPs. Cat pictures? Cartoon characters HUGGING? Christ. You all suck. I am pretty sure if the local gangster wannabe teenagers of your neighbourhood saw your reply, they would be proud of ya. Do you also wear your jeans with the belt tightened at knee level ? :D 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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