Should I stay or should I go?

[diana_eva]

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Run or not?

 

Random partnership, you don't know how bad or good that 2♥ can be.

[ahydra]

pass (hole, digging, etc)

 

ahydra

[Codo]

pass, I will usually not find a better fit.

[HighLow21]

Pass, because the most likely action after XX is pass by your partner, and the most likely action over 2♠ is 3♥ by your partner. Now try introducing 4 of a minor after South whacks 3♥! What fun. What fun for North/South.

 

With an experienced partner, either have the option to make a non-forcing bid of 2♠ here or redouble, asking for him to jump to his longest other suit.

[diana_eva]

I think 2s after that x is not forcing... And this partner would definitely not run to 3h

[Hanoi5]

Exactly like the song. 'If I go it will be trouble', so Pass.

 

Yes, 'If I stay it will be double', but maybe that'll show partner not to make terrible pre-emptives when vulnerable.

[pooltuna]

pass and take your medicine

[HighLow21]

I think 2s after that x is not forcing... And this partner would definitely not run to 3h

 

You just said it was a random partnership. Having become an expert at random partnerships at BBO, I can tell you that there is a VERY high chance partner will run. And even if he doesn't, you might have 3 spade losers. Or 4.

[aguahombre]

Random partner (OP conditions):

 

On-line random will consistently have everything but hearts. I will bid 2S. This random partner will pass with 3, or bid a 4-card minor. Even these types will not rebid their hearts. :rolleyes:

 

F2F, I sit. Would have discussed what a wk-2 looks like with any real life partner.

[manudude03]

Pass, even if you find a better fit, you'll likely only score maybe 1 more trick. If you decide you really can't stomach pass, then redouble (assuming you can trust partner to take it as SOS)

[HighLow21]

Random partner (OP conditions):

 

On-line random will consistently have everything but hearts.

 

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Even these types will not rebid their hearts. :rolleyes:

 

 

Wrong.

 

And, wrong again.

[HighLow21]

Pass, even if you find a better fit, you'll likely only score maybe 1 more trick. If you decide you really can't stomach pass, then redouble (assuming you can trust partner to take it as SOS)

 

If you do this, get ready to sit for 2♥XX-4.

[Phil]

I would redouble. There is a huge upside to finding a better fit, and even if partner sits, the IMP difference between 800 and 1600 is minor compared to finding a better contract, or chasing them off a double.

 

I wonder if this the RHO to Diana's AQx xx Kxx xxxxx? :P

[CSGibson]

Is this imps? Whatever, I'm running. 2♥ is likely to be a disaster, but 2♠ hasn't been doubled yet - maybe it won't be a disaster. I mean, really, we have a 7+ card fit somewhere, and where ever it is, it likely plays better than hearts.

 

And as far as Tate's insistence that this sequence gets us to 3♥ - No, not if you are playing with non-beginners.

[diana_eva]

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. In general by random partner i mean someone with whom i have no special agreements - not someone who should be treated as an absolute beginner or a lunatic. Even though I wouldn't know his preempts or his style, this doesn't imply it's more likely he has a terrible suit. It's just something i have no information about.

[manudude03]

If you do this, get ready to sit for 2♥XX-4.

 

Maybe I will, but at least partner may learn a very useful treatment (I did say assuming partner will know if its SOS).

[wyman]

I would XX opposite a pick-up partner who I knew to be good.

[broze]

I strongly disagree with a redouble. Partner is hardly ever going to pull to ♠ with even 3 and he never has 4. ♠ may well be your best spot, but you'll find yourself in 3m before you know it/

 

With a pickup partner I would just pass, but with my regular partner I would bid 2♠ (which would promise another safe suit). P will then sit 2 with a doubleton or better and pull or redouble (if doubled) for SOS with a single or void ♠. We then probably end up in 3 of a minor.

[HighLow21]

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. In general by random partner i mean someone with whom i have no special agreements - not someone who should be treated as an absolute beginner or a lunatic. Even though I wouldn't know his preempts or his style, this doesn't imply it's more likely he has a terrible suit. It's just something i have no information about.

 

Well then in that case, I would take action --> probably 2♠, trusting my partner to know what the situation is. I apologize, but earlier your context was far from clear to me.

[HighLow21]

I would redouble. There is a huge upside to finding a better fit, and even if partner sits, the IMP difference between 800 and 1600 is minor compared to finding a better contract, or chasing them off a double.

 

I wonder if this the RHO to Diana's AQx xx Kxx xxxxx? :P

 

I think it very well might be!!! Hahahaha :blink:

[HighLow21]

I strongly disagree with a redouble. Partner is hardly ever going to pull to ♠ with even 3 and he never has 4. ♠ may well be your best spot, but you'll find yourself in 3m before you know it/

 

With a pickup partner I would just pass, but with my regular partner I would bid 2♠ (which would promise another safe suit). P will then sit 2 with a doubleton or better and pull or redouble (if doubled) for SOS with a single or void ♠. We then probably end up in 3 of a minor.

 

100% agreed against the redouble. Partner is a huge underdog to bid spades and wouldn't know Qx or xxx is good enough. Thus we most likely get to a 4-3 fit at the 3 level and get doubled again. Now what? 2♠ for me, and a hard decision then if it gets doubled and passed back to me.

[wyman]

IMO, XX > 2S, since there are almost always 4S behind us. If partner is 3622, he'll bid 2S over the XX, and we'll deal with the split, but if partner is 26(41) or 16(42) or even with a 5cm [these are not unlikely shapes at these colors, with apparently an anemic heart suit since righty is passing for penalties], he will be poorly placed to move over 2S (X), and you'll be left to guess again.

 

I don't feel strongly about this, but I'd choose redouble.

[HighLow21]

IMO, XX > 2S, since there are almost always 4S behind us. If partner is 3622, he'll bid 2S over the XX, and we'll deal with the split, but if partner is 26(41) or 16(42) or even with a 5cm [these are not unlikely shapes at these colors, with apparently an anemic heart suit since righty is passing for penalties], he will be poorly placed to move over 2S (X), and you'll be left to guess again.

 

I don't feel strongly about this, but I'd choose redouble.

I disagree with your conclusion but I agree entirely with your reasoning. I chose 2S because I can never otherwise communicate my 5 decent spades to partner, and I have no reason to believe that any other suit will be better than spades even if partner has 2 spades and 3 of one of the minors. Plus, that is one level higher. I agree, you will often get a tough decision when 2SX comes back to you. But I think there's a high probability you will get a tough decision whenever the bidding comes back to you, except that when you get a tough decision back to you after XX, you're nearly always at the 3-level and will have a nagging feeling that spades might have been your best fit.

[aguahombre]

The real decider for me is if my random can at least be expected to have a straight flush from the Jack down (+ one). If he does, and a couple of randoms outside, we are probaby in as good a spot as any, right here.

[Statto]

Pass (rod, back, etc). Partner really ought to have a decent suit for this bid 1st seat red v white. A 6-0 fit with the trumps marked may play better than a possible 5-1 fit or a 4-3 fit a level higher, where none of the suits are likely to be splitting kindly. Though I agree it's borderline B-)