xx1943 Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Hi Billies, this hand I played with a pickup-partner calling himself an expert and he misplayed the hand awfully. I'm sure most of you will do better. :) Advanced+ please answer with hidden text only: ;) [hv=d=e&v=n&w=s2h765dk87653c865&e=sk94hakt9432dq94c]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - 1♥ 1♠ Pass 2♠ 4♥ 4♠ 5♥ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass CK C5 C7 H2 HA HQ H5 H8 HK S5 H6 HJ How do you think your chances are now? What card do you play from your hand? Look here how my partner went down: D4 :o DJ DK DA SJ S4 S7 S2 S6 S9 ST H7 D3 DT DQ D2 D9 C3 D5 C2 and curtains down 1, instead of just made. Here the hidden solution: You must play diamond 9, :D to unblock the suit in case they are 2/2 is you must hope. Sincerly Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 9 diamonds looks right to me, not 100% sure that is best play but that is my take on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 You must play diamond 9, :( to unblock the suit in case they are 2/2 is you must hope. [/font] Sincerly Al I'm a BILlie, but I'll hide it anyways. South doubled with nothing in hearts, therefore I assume he's looking at at least three, probably four tricks- just the AK of clubs and A of spades would be a foolish X. I'm going to place him with the diamond ace. There are four diamonds out there, including the A, J, and T. If they split 2-2, it doesn't matter how I play it. If they split 3-1 with the A singleton he would have led it, so it's not there. If they split 4-0 or 3-1 with the AJT with South, it doesn't matter what I do. So, assume that South has AJx or ATx- it's the only time it matters what I play. I need to keep the finesse available. So I lead the Q of diamonds. That snuffs the J or T, and now I can finesse for the other one (leading the nine). Although, if I do that, I lose out to the 2-2 with the JT in North. Still, I think it's the right way to play it. There is no unblocking issue playing it this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Just I do not understand why not playing for spades ruff without drawing trumps. 1) we know LHO has the spade ace, so the K will not be scored via a finesse. 2) I could delay playing on sidesuits to try to engineer a throw in for S so he has to return spades or diamonds, but I do not have enough dummy entries to eliminate clubs, so that won't work 3) therefore, if I play a spade at trick 2, I'll be able to score 2 spades ruff, hope trumps break, and guess diamonds. Anything wrong with this reasoning ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 3) therefore, if I play a spade at trick 2, I'll be able to score 2 spades ruff, hope trumps break, and guess diamonds. You don't need any spade ruffs to make 11 tricks. What exactly are you guessing on the diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ 2 ♥ 765 ♦ K87653 ♣ 865 ♠ K94 ♥ AKT9432 ♦ Q94 ♣ [space] West North East South - - 1♥ 1♠ Pass 2♠ 4♥ 4♠ 5♥ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass CK C5 C7 H2 HA HQ H5 H8 HK S5 H6 HJ how do you come to the conclusion that south is *that* much stronger than north? we have 15 hcp between us, leaving 25... why should south have anything other than a normal overcall with nice spades? iow, why in the world can north not have the ♦A and ♣A (giving south the K,Q,J of clubs, for instance)? i'm pretty sure i'd do this at the table lead a spade after winning the first trick.. win return and play ♥A (unless a trump was returned).. trump a spade, trump a club, trump a spade, trump a club, draw the last trump and lead the ♦9 to the K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 i'm pretty sure i'd do this at the table lead a spade after winning the first trick.. win return and play ♥A (unless a trump was returned).. trump a spade, trump a club, trump a spade, trump a club, draw the last trump and lead the ♦9 to the K Assuming they don't cover, tell me the advantage to playing it this way. What holding does this play work on, that wouldn't work using other methods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 ♦J,T with north, the one you pointed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 ♦J,T with north, the one you pointed out You can play it that way too, if you prefer. Force through the queen, then play the nine to the king. Whichever way you prefer, there's no reason to kill your communications. Draw trump, then play the Q immediately. You can decide which way you want to play it later. In fact, you can play the Q, assuming it gets covered you can win any reurn, ruff a club, run down the hearts and see if you can get a count, and then finish up the diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 You have two options here, one play Q first, the other play 9 first, 9 first makes when diamonds are 2-2 or when south got A single.Q first if no J/10 drops makes on 2-2, but the intresting case is when north drops the j or 10, the law of restricted choice says its twice as good to play north for this honor single and not J10, also J/10 single is twice more likely then A single, ,its very importent to notice that there is no block in the suit, since south is wining the diamond A, and cannot force us to use our last heart in dummy before we play the diamonds (if north would have won and switch to spade, we had to ruff in dummy and now diamonds are blocked).Now time too add precentages, but i dont have them so ill try logic. 9 makes on 2-2 or A single in one hand.Q makes on all 2-2 exept J10 on north, and it also makes on J or 10 signlton on north. if im correct the Q have better precentage.I forgot to mention, playing small/9 wont win if south has J/10 singlton, you wont have enough entries to both finnese and take the long dimamond suit.(if you had the entry then 9 was better then Q since it works on any siglton honor on south) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi all You must guess the diamonds rite, so there is no need to go after spade ruffs. It is questionable if better lead ♦q or ♦9. Probaly the Q, as Flame explained. But my "EXPERT" partner led a low diamond to the K. [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sj63hj8datcqjt742&w=s2h765dk87653c865&e=sk94hakt9432dq94c&s=saqt875hqdj2cak93]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - 1♥ 1♠ Pass 2♠ 4♥ 4♠ 5♥ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass CK C5 C7 H2 HA HQ H5 H8 HK S5 H6 HJ D4 DJ DK DA SJ S4 S7 S2 S6 S9 ST H7 D3 DT DQ D2 D9 C3 D5 C2 and down 1. :unsure: cheers Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothy Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 hi all - my solution listen if i gonna give a solution i wont be embarrassed to show it in public : P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Hi Billies, this hand I played with a pickup-partner calling himself an expert and he misplayed the hand awfully. I'm sure most of you will do better. :huh: Advanced+ please answer with hidden text only: ;) West North East South - - 1♥ 1♠ Pass 2♠ 4♥ 4♠ 5♥ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass CK C5 C7 H2 HA HQ H5 H8 HK S5 H6 HJ How do you think your chances are now? What card do you play from your hand? Look here how my partner went down: D4 :o DJ DK DA SJ S4 S7 S2 S6 S9 ST H7 D3 DT DQ D2 D9 C3 D5 C2 and curtains down 1, instead of just made. Here the hidden solution: You must play diamond 9, :) to unblock the suit in case they are 2/2 is you must hope. Sincerly Al [hv=d=e&v=n&w=s2h765dk87653c865&e=sk94hakt9432dq94c]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Hi biiilies... One thing to do is count your tricks. If diamonds are 2-2 now, they will be 2-2 later. The key is hearts. If they are 2-1, you have seven hearts, plus a diamond. Setting up diamonds can wait. If they are 3-0, you will lose a heart, a spade, and likely 2 diamonds anyway, unless teh diamond suit is 2-2.. and if diamonds are 2-2. if you play on trumps, you run the risk of losing 1H, 2S, and 1D (since you will play dummy out of trumps too early). IF you can ruff two spades, you will have 7H + 2S ruff, +1D, EVEN IF THEY MANAGE TO RUFF a diamond. Simly return a spade at trick two seems a reasonable way to get 10 tricks. So the way Al's expert partner played it was wrong (blocking the diamond suit was silly, but then, so was the entire line). You and I can do better. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Ben, the contract is 5♥x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Ben, the contract is 5♥x Whoops..... get me a ladder so I get down off this silly horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted November 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Ben, the contract is 5♥x Whoops..... get me a ladder so I get down off this silly horse. Hi but you are 100% rite, Ben. You line ensures 11 tricks, if hearts are 2/1 and diamonds 2/2 or LHO has the single A. 7♥ + 2♠-ruffs + 2♦ and you make 9 tricks against a bad distribution in the reds6♥+2♠(ruffs) + 1♦. My suggested line Draw trumps and establish diamonds, needs the same breaks to win, but against bad breaks I'll make only 7 tricks. 6♥+1♦ Your line is correct (as ever :P ), Ben Regards Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothy Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Whoops..... get me a ladder so I get down off this silly horse. Saddle burn sucks huh Ben... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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