SimonFa Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I can't remember the exact hand but as this is just a general principle question it doesn't matter: AQxxxxxAKJTx (I think it was T, if it wasn't does it make a difference?x No interference, I opened 1S and partner responds 2NT promising 4 spades and 13+ HCP. Should I bid 3C splinter, which leaves bidding space and certainly implies a longish red suit or 4D showing the rather good diamond suit, which also implies a short suit somewhere? In the end I bid 3C and partner signed off in 4H AQx in clubs. What are the pros and cons? It was MPs would IMPs make a difference? As I say above would a slightly weaker Diamond suit make a difference? Thanks in advance, SimonPS The More I think about the more I think 4D was a better bid. I know a couple of pairs in the club revers the splinter and long suit levels ie on this hand 3d WOULD SHOW THE LONG SUIT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I can think of just as many cons as pros to reversing the meaning of the 3 and 4 level responses in that you face losing useful bidding room on both approaches just critical on different hands. I slightly favour the 4♦ bid on a hand like this to show the source of tricks and partnership agreement is that it has the Ace in it to not turn off pard with a stiff 2. (AJT minimum). If responder needs to know your side controls it can be problematic but you should have through the 5 level to ask safely. We also treat stiff A or K as NOT shortness for the same reason, not turning partner off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I can't remember the exact hand but as this is just a general principle question it doesn't matter: AQxxxxxAKJTx (I think it was T, if it wasn't does it make a difference?x No interference, I opened 1S and partner responds 2NT promising 4 spades and 13+ HCP. Should I bid 3C splinter, which leaves bidding space and certainly implies a longish red suit or 4D showing the rather good diamond suit, which also implies a short suit somewhere? In the end I bid 3C and partner signed off in 4H AQx in clubs. What are the pros and cons? It was MPs would IMPs make a difference? As I say above would a slightly weaker Diamond suit make a difference? Thanks in advance, SimonPS The More I think about the more I think 4D was a better bid. I know a couple of pairs in the club revers the splinter and long suit levels ie on this hand 3d WOULD SHOW THE LONG SUIT. I strongly favor showing D as a source of tricks, if pard can bid 4h then now I can bw.If we have all the kcards I can later show the KD as a grand slam try and pard will know the QD is a big card. If she bids 4s over 4d then I can now cue 5c and pard knows we need a h card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 If you do not bid 4 ♦ on this hand, you should use 4m after Jac2NT for other purposes. Maybe this is a better approach anyway, but as long as you play a kind of a standard Jac 2 Nt, you should bid 4 m if you have the right hand for it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 If you do not bid 4 ♦ on this hand, you should use 4m after Jac2NT for other purposes. Maybe this is a better approach anyway, but as long as you play a kind of a standard Jac 2 Nt, you should bid 4 m if you have the right hand for it.Agreed and this certainly is the right hand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Thanks everyone, very helpful. Simon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I typicall only bid my side 5 card suit if it is a good suit: AQxxxxxAKJxxx I would definitely bid 4D AQxxxAKJxxxxx I would bid 3c 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Hi, In the end, it comes down to partnership agreement. We always bid the shortage. This eliminates the judgment part, is the suit quality sufficent to showthe suit, or do you need an add. 10?Showing the shortage devalues partners values in this suit, and strengthen his other values, which will help him to judge the strength of his hand. My guess is also, that the bility to count tricks is more important, if youwonder if it makes sense to bid grand, or if you should settle for the smallslam, but that impression may be ... In the end, it comes down to partnership agreement.And if you have a big believe in your judgement abilities. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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