Quartic Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Playing in my local club with an infrequent partner, we had this tricky hand: [hv=pc=n&s=s63hj854d9742c954&w=sq9hkq7dk3cakqt32&n=skjt54ht9632dt85c&e=sa872hadaqj6cj876&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1c2c(%21h%20%26%20%21s)2hp2sp4cp5cp6cppp]399|300[/hv] Unfortunately, we hadn't discussed any defence to two-suited overcalls, so all bids from 2♥ onwards were complete guesswork. Assuming a natural 1♣ opening, how would your auction continue after a 2♣ overcall? What about over 3♣ also showing both majors? (This was the bid at some other tables.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwar0123 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 1♣-2♣-2♥-pass4nt-pass-3 keys-pass7♣ Looking at west's hands, I am not sure what else he needs to know except where the 3 aces are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 A) Opps helped you agree ♣ at a low level.B) So it is easy to use Minorwood ( 4C ) as RKC -- let's say by East .C) West shows 2 + ♣Q .D) Now this allows for TWO low-level K-asks ... ( the first guaranteeing ALL key cards + the trump Q ).E) West is the only one who knows of the extra length ♣ suit and can count 12 tricks, so he is the one to take the plunge at 7C after the 2nd K-ask. He is hoping Partner has "something else" besides the 3 bullets to garner the 13th trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 1♣-2♣-2♥-pass4nt-pass-3 keys-pass7♣ Looking at west's hands, I am not sure what else he needs to know except where the 3 aces are.West shouldn't go RKC not knowing about 2 quick losers in ♠. What if East showed only 2 key cards ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'd have been inclined to say that 2♥ was an invitational raise (so 4N is ridiculous) and 2♠ was FG, obviously your partner felt otherwise. Asking for aces with whichever of 4♣/4♦ does it for you is fairly reasonable although if you get an answer of 2, you have no clue as to whether partner has: Jxx AJ, AQJx, Jxxx or AKJx, xx, Axx, Jxxx so no clue whether to bid 5 or 6, so there must be a better way, 4N is even worse as it will commit you to 6 or 5N opposite 1. I think I'd bid: 1♣-(2♣)-2♠(GF clubs)-3♣-3♦-3♥-3N-4♦(KC, if partner has a spade stop, would be unlucky to have 2 losers there)-4♥(0/3)-5♣(signoff opposite 0)-5N(3 keycards, extras, but no side K)-7N I'd probably have opened 2N which might have shut opps up, 2N-3♣-3N(2♠2-3♥)-4♣-4♥(keycard ♣)-4♠(0/3)-5♣(signoff opposite 0)-5N(3 keys,extras but no side K)-7N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 1♣-2♣-2♥-pass4nt-pass-3 keys-pass7♣ Looking at west's hands, I am not sure what else he needs to know except where the 3 aces are. I only count 12 tricks but this gets us to 13. 3h over 2h then 3s4d(rkc for clubs)=4h=(0-3)5h(KH, deny Ks, grand try)=6c(deny kd and ks)6d(kD)=7nt (bids 6nt without QD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 1♣-2♣-2♥-pass4nt-pass-3 keys-pass7♣ Looking at west's hands, I am not sure what else he needs to know except where the 3 aces are. Yeah, but looking at E's hand, is 2H (=LR+?) all that attractive? Why not the more flexible double, showiing values and cards in at least one major opposite what may be a WNT kind of hand? Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah, but looking at E's hand, is 2H (=LR+?) all that attractive? Why not the more flexible double, showiing values and cards in at least one major opposite what may be a WNT kind of hand? Valid point. Now, how do you get to 7C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartic Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah, but looking at E's hand, is 2H (=LR+?) all that attractive? Why not the more flexible double, showiing values and cards in at least one major opposite what may be a WNT kind of hand? Thankfully for my partnership, this wouldn't be an issue as we play a weak 1NT opening. We also play 4 card majors, so I know we have at least an 8 card ♣ fit. But, yes, playing a strong NT you do have to worry about the weak NT hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Valid point. Now, how do you get to 7C? Valid point. Problem, of course, is both hold significant extras. 1C-(2C)-X-2H2N*-(P)-3H**-(P)4C***-(P)-4D**** * = 12-14 or 18-19, H card** = ubiquitous cue, suggests extras/asks values*** = real C, big hand**** = Redwood, thinking now that 6 is possible. However, bounty abounds. In the interests of full disclosure, I always confuse people with these ubiquities and I haven't been successful persuading regular partners to play Redwood in these 4-level things. But that's how I'd like to be able to do it. Another way to bid it: Open W hand 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Playing weak NT this is much easier.Playing 5 card majors, strong NT it's tougher, but I'd expect a start along the lines of 1C (2C) dbl (3H)3NT (P) 4C etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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