daveharty Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 This one is an ATB: [hv=pc=n&w=skqha2dkqj84cj765&e=saj532hk54da96ca4&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1np2hp2sp4nppp]266|200[/hv] +720 is sort of a silly score, especially when it's there on any lead. Who dunnit? EDIT: 1NT=15-17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 west has 2 honors in partner's suit, a 5-bagger of his own, and 16 real, but declines an invite? West all the way for me. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Are you playing a 16-18 NT or something? Do not understand how west can pass playing the usual (14)15-17 style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I agree that West should accept, but I think East should drive slam himself. He has a lot of aces, and he has a five-card suit too. None of this helps us to get to the grand slam, of course. 1NT-2♥;2♠-5NT;6NT looks normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Agree that west should accept, this has turned into a very good 1NT opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 West 100%. In my partnership style we super accept freely with 3 or 4 spades. Lacking that, East is only worth 4nt (an unclear source of tricks in their suit) but West has a clear accept to 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah re: east, I know his hand is awesome, but in a potential misfit opposite a range that includes a handful of 14s [i'm making assumptions here], I'm not driving to slam at any form of scoring, but certainly not at MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Of course West should accept. The question is - can the grand be reached? If 5♦ = source of tricks, and East can cue the ♥K + ♦A, they will get close, but what seals the deal is the ♠J, so it might be too tough after 4N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I can bid the grand using my weak NT system, but starting with 1N it's difficult to pinpoint everything required. Clearly the 4N invite should have been accepted in your auction. For us: 1♦-1♠1N(15-bad 19 bal)-2♣(asking)2♦(2♠,2-3♥, 15-16)-3♦(F)3♠(nice doubleton)-4N(keycard ♠)5♠(2+Q)-6♥(all keycards, K♥, no lower K)7N (partner's inviting 7♠, he must have at least AJxxx as he knows I have exactly KQ doubleton so that's 5+5+2+1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I can find the grand using my strong 1♣ system whenre I would end up asking about ♠J but that's not the point :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Wyman said it all imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Okay, thanks for the reality check. I was East and was just making sure I wasn't too close to the problem to see it clearly; my partner asked how we could bid the slam, and I tried to be as diplomatic as possible when I told her I thought she had an obvious accept. I loved my controls but the horrible spots convinced me to just invite, I wondered if people would think I should have been more bullish on the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 With so many controls and a semi decent 5 card suit, 4N feels like an underbid. I don't understand passing 4N. That hand really came to life when East showed 5 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I disagree that responder should force to slam after jacoby. If opener denies support, according to my simulation slam is only 43%. well shy of 50% required at IMPS. Responder has 16 HCP and value of about 17, only about 32 opposite a 15 point minimum NT opener. EDIT-If opener convert to spades, slam shoulb be acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 West, unless east knows pard is an underbidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I can find the grand using my strong 1♣ system where I would end up asking about ♠J but that's not the point :)Me too (except the ♠J part):- 1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal... - 1♥ = INV+ relay2♣ = max, 4+ clubs, GF... - 2♦ = relay2♥ = 5+ diamonds, 4 clubs... - 2♠ = relay2NT = 5 diamonds... - 3♣ = relay3♥ = 2254... 3♠ = relay (switching to RKCB would also work)4♣ = 4 controls... - 4♦ = relay4♠ = diamond control, no club control... - 4NT = relay5♠ = controls in both majors, 2 of top 3 in diamonds, no ♣Q... - 5NT = relay6♦ = 2 of top 3 in spades, 1 of top 3 in hearts... - 7NT I am obviously old-fashioned (and used to a weak NT) but the West hand just looks like a 1♦ opener to me. After that I daresay most pairs will get to at least a small slam. Anyway, it is clear that West made the key decisions that led to the poor score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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