If you've never discussed this sequence, how would you interpret it?

[aguahombre]

Agree. I have this agreement with my regular partner - pass is forcing, and we alert it as such (not sure if necessary or not).

We alert it also, and are sure it is necessary. Pass carries a message other than simply nothing to say. We disclose that it denies a bust (or 2nd negative) hand. The opponents can deduce that means opener will not pass, since we can't psyche 2C.

 

Merely stating the pass is forcing constitutes no disclosure at all, IMO. We state what the call means, not what will happen next.

[jillybean]

We alert it also, and are sure it is necessary. Pass carries a message other than simply nothing to say. We disclose that it denies a bust (or 2nd negative) hand. The opponents can deduce that means opener will not pass, since we can't psyche 2C.

 

Merely stating the pass is forcing constitutes no disclosure at all, IMO. We state what the call means, not what will happen next.

We alert this also. At times people comment along the lines of 'why the heck are you alerting this?'

[aguahombre]

We alert this also. At times people comment along the lines of 'why the heck are you alerting this?'

And THAT would be an opportunity to "teach at the table"; not preach, merely answer why.

 

We are never going to let you forget that thread, Jilly.

[billw55]

We alert it also, and are sure it is necessary. Pass carries a message other than simply nothing to say. We disclose that it denies a bust (or 2nd negative) hand. The opponents can deduce that means opener will not pass, since we can't psyche 2C.

 

Merely stating the pass is forcing constitutes no disclosure at all, IMO. We state what the call means, not what will happen next.

We mean that it establishes a forcing auction - we will outbid them or double them, but they may not declare undoubled. I suppose just saying "forcing" may not make this completely clear .. noted for future reference.

[aguahombre]

We state what the call means, not what will happen next.

I figure if I state this at every opportunity, one of two things might happen:

 

---It might have an effect on how people disclose, OR

---I will be able to compete in the Posties with "Hamman eggs in one basket" for boring repetition of 2012.

[Finch]

The treatment that "double of an overcall shows a bust" is virtually unknown in the UK - I think only immigrants from North America or avid BBO players have even heard of it, never mind play it.The "obvious" interpretation here would be that double is penalties. Standard rule: in a game forcing auction, doubles are penalties.

 

But also in the UK the treatment of 2D = semi-positive, 2H = double negative is also virtually unknown; the two (sort of) go together i.e. the idea that you have a way to tell partner at once if you have nothing or not.

 

Playing on BBO it's probably wise to see where your partner is from before guessing what their calls mean.

[ArtK78]

The treatment that "double of an overcall shows a bust" is virtually unknown in the UK - I think only immigrants from North America or avid BBO players have even heard of it, never mind play it.The "obvious" interpretation here would be that double is penalties. Standard rule: in a game forcing auction, doubles are penalties.

 

But also in the UK the treatment of 2D = semi-positive, 2H = double negative is also virtually unknown; the two (sort of) go together i.e. the idea that you have a way to tell partner at once if you have nothing or not.

 

Playing on BBO it's probably wise to see where your partner is from before guessing what their calls mean.

I played double of an overcall as a bust hand long before I started playing 2♥ as an immediate negative and 2♦ as a waiting call showing values. Quite frankly, the two have nothing to do with each other, as demonstrated on this hand.

 

It is very important in an auction starting with a strong 2♣ opening bid for responder to define his values as quickly as possible, especially in a competitive auction.

[aguahombre]

Yep. Except for the word, "especially". If the opponents do not interfere with 2C, our first obligation should be to stay out of partner's way unless we have something more descriptive to say than just our general strength.