BunnyGo Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Hello all. I direct you to a bridgewinners article discussing a proposed change which will restrict ACBL junior discounts to only juniors with fewer than 500 master points. I've written to my board of directors representatives and they said that the more people who post their displeasure with the proposed changes on bridgewinners, the more likely it will not be enacted. Please write your representatives and leave comments on the bridgewinners thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Taxing the young is how ACBL will make a lot of money :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 <bump> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 <bump>Bump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Bump? Adding a comment to a thread to bump it to the top of the new content, thus bringing it to people's attention again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 A very sad nickle and dime mentality. I'm pleased to say that my District rep opposes all such nonsense as a matter of course and for many years. Not so pleased that it keeps cropping up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 It appears mine does as well, as she posted in the BW thread. Pretty unlikely this passes imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMars Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I never really understood where this "26" comes from, except from the Junior World Championships, which seems to actually have a category for up to 28. I was in grad school when I turned 26, and had less than 500 points, and was not magically able to suddenly pay full price for tournaments, just because I got older. Then again, I dealt with it by working at my local clubs so I could play for free, and not going to as many sectionals/regionals until I left grad school and found a job. So I guess I was interested enough to figure out how to make it work, but several of my friends who I introduced to bridge (and were grad students) were less addicted than me, and stopped playing as much because the price went up on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I never really understood where this "26" comes from, except from the Junior World Championships, which seems to actually have a category for up to 28. I was in grad school when I turned 26, and had less than 500 points, and was not magically able to suddenly pay full price for tournaments, just because I got older. Then again, I dealt with it by working at my local clubs so I could play for free, and not going to as many sectionals/regionals until I left grad school and found a job. So I guess I was interested enough to figure out how to make it work, but several of my friends who I introduced to bridge (and were grad students) were less addicted than me, and stopped playing as much because the price went up on them. Agreed, turning 27 and 28 while still in grad school made traveling to tournaments hard when there wasn't family or friends in the town who could put me up (thankfully my local club game was $3 a night for all "reasonably young" students and I only played once a week). The junior discounts were sorely missed at larger events though. I was occasionally able to get around this by playing on teams of 5 or 6 with 4 juniors. As they give a max of 4 junior discounts in that scenario anyways, it was still affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 A very sad nickle and dime mentality. I'm pleased to say that my District rep opposes all such nonsense as a matter of course and for many years. Not so pleased that it keeps cropping up. Our District rep is on a mad crusade to end funding to the USBF and the WBF. I'd bet he is also wringing his hands at the extra cash he can get for the league by charging juniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 WBF has two categories for young players: Youth (up to 25) and University (up to 28). ACBL's junior criteria seems to match up with WBF's youth category. There needs to be some cutoff, 26 seems as good as anything else. It actually seems pretty generous -- most areas of life consider you an adult at 18 or 21, there are few discounts for anyone in their 20's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Is this where Obamacare got the 26 limitation for staying on your parents' insurance? :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Our District rep is on a mad crusade to end funding to the USBF and the WBF. I'd bet he is also wringing his hands at the extra cash he can get for the league by charging juniors. I nominate Phil to run in the next election! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 My district rep is planning on speaking and voting against it. The thread in Bridge Winners is about 90% against the change. I predict it will fail miserably. ACBL does some boneheaded things sometimes, but I can't imagine them being so penny-wise and pound-foolish as to pass this. Anyone know who proposed it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hello all. I direct you to a bridgewinners article discussing a proposed change which will restrict ACBL junior discounts to only juniors with fewer than 500 master points. So, the theory is that young players who have played enough to win 500 mps have demonstrated that they want to play, so they will continue to play even at full price, whereas newer (or less successful) young players must be enticed with the discount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 It's the drug pusher theory of marketing: give it to them cheap until they're hooked, then hit them up for full price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 it would make more sense if they were taking it away from the 500mp crew to give a bigger discount to new juniors... Still not a great idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Anyone know who proposed it? Maybe we can finally tell if it's a nest of morons or a single mutant from the minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 I used to play congresses when I was a junior. Now as a student aged 29, I just can't afford them any more, so I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I used to play congresses when I was a junior. Now as a student aged 29, I just can't afford them any more, so I don't. Well, you could raise the age to 30 or 35... or make it, say, 21 or anyone in full-time education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 So a 50-year-old decides to go back to college, they get a junior discount? Not that it would be a big deal -- I can't imagine there would be more than 1 or 2 such people in the entire ACBL at a time, and how many of them would be going to NABCs with or without the discount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I think that if you're *full-time* student, it shouldn't really matter. A 50-year-old going back to school to finally finish that B.Sc. now that he's retired? Go for it! We can afford $100, $200/year to support him. Taking one night class? No, I don't think so. But there's a reason I avoid bridge politics, and bridge administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I would be very much in favor of providing free play for all members who are 55 years old. However, after my birthday next Wednesday, I would change that to free play for all members who are 56 years old. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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