RunemPard Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) [hv=sn=south&s=SAQJT65H652D74C85&wn=RunemPard&w=SHAKQDAKQJ9865CAJ&nn=north&n=SK972HJT874DCKQ76&en=east&e=S843H93DT32CT9432&d=n&v=n&b=229&a=PPP2CPP2S6DPPP&p=S7S3SAD5DAS2D2D4DKH4D3D7DQS9DTS5DJH7C2S6D9H8C3STD8HTC4H2D6HJC9H5HAC6H3H6HKC7H9C5HQCQCTC8CACKS4SJCJSKS8SQ]400|300|[/color][/hv] Worthy of a post...?How do you go about finding 7? Was playing randoms on IMP tables...so not made for tournament. Edited February 20, 2012 by inquiry see comments below 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Blah...how do I make it bigger. Figured it out. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 7 only made because north didn't pitch his spade despite the fact that you ruffed a spade at trick 1. What's the problem? Why is this a lousy hand? It should have been a cold top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Not a problem...pretend you do not know about pard's lousy cards...how can you go about finding 7? Risking a pass by not bidding 6 directly, but 7 is a possibility also.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Set diamonds as trump with a 4♦ forcing bid over 2♦. Then bid any type of blackwood and specific kings follow up no matter the response. If partner has the spade A, bid 6 or 7 NT (gambles on a diamond entry to the A or a spade lead). If partner has the club K bid 7. Edit: this assumes that partner actually bids 2♦ in response to the 2♣ bid. Bet South really regretted reopening for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Yes, that seems the best way...I thought about opening 6D with random pard, but there are 2 chances for me to make 7 and I did not want to give that up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Set diamonds as trump with a 4♦ forcing bid over 2♦. Then bid any type of blackwood and specific kings follow up no matter the response. If partner has the spade A, bid 6 or 7 NT (gambles on a diamond entry to the A or a spade lead). If partner has the club K bid 7. Edit: this assumes that partner actually bids 2♦ in response to the 2♣ bid. Bet South really regretted reopening for you.Indeed, at least having reopened his pard could have bid 6♠ for only 800 despite the vul. Also if you play 2♥ double negative to 2♣ depending on what exactly you're denying, finding out what he's got is trivial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yes...good point actually by Cyberyeti regarding them going up to 6S... By not bidding directly to 6D or 7D I leave myself open to getting ripped out of my slam. On the other side, by bidding 2C, I allow partner to show more... The best open is probably 6D with a partner who has some kind of convention with you. They should be able to tell if going to 7D is worth the shot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 YOU really, really don't want to be in seven. This isn't even close. North was a asleep man, as was your partner. In fact, to protect them from possible harmful comments, I have edited out their names in your post, Let's start with north. You ruffed the opening spade lead. EVERYONE KNOWS you are out of spades. North can and should throw all his spades away. Despite this he throws a club from kq to keep the spade king. This is a very novice mistake, obviously. If you played this hand against 1000 opponents, only a few would allow you to make this unmakable contract. IT might be more difficult on them if they didn't play a spade at trick one. As for your partner, 2♣ is forcing. He can not pass. The only assumption I can make is east either thought it was a precison type 2♣ opener, or he was taking a terrific position, not only hoping you couldn't make game opposite his terrible hand, but that your (as of yet) undisclosed suit is clubs. Or he misclicked, and didn't mean to pass. This is a class one type error that I had in my beginner 7nt threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Worthy of a post...?How do you go about finding 7? Was playing randoms on IMP tables...so not made for tournament.Find 7? Sitting across from a partner who passes a 2♣ opener, I am not concerned about looking for 7. Looking for a new partner, maybe... but not looking for 7♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yeah 7 shouldn't make, all N has to do is hold onto the club king after pitching all his spades. But passing 2C? Awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Set diamonds as trump with a 4♦ forcing bid over 2♦. Then bid any type of blackwood and specific kings follow up no matter the response. If partner has the spade A, bid 6 or 7 NT (gambles on a diamond entry to the A or a spade lead). If partner has the club K bid 7.Agree with 4♦. If partner bids something other than 5♦, is it showing 1st or 2nd round control? Probably doesn't matter unless we're going to gamble on 7NT if partner shows ♠A. After 4♠ I'll cue 5♥ which should indicate I'm looking for a ♣ control. After 4♥ I'll cue 4♠, and after 5♦ next cue 5♥, for the same reason. If partner bids 5♦, 5NT looks like GSF rather than specific King ask, but if it is a King ask and partner bids 6♠ showing ♠K and not ♣K, we'll have to bid 6NT and hope North has ♠A or ♠ are not led. I'd prefer to cue 5♥ and after 5♠ bid 6♦. Partner should again realize I'm looking for 2nd round ♣ control for grand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 When I said "find 7"...I obviously know that 7 is not mean't to make...I am referring to during the bidding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 [hv=sn=south&s=SAQJT65H652D74C85&wn=RunemPard&w=SHAKQDAKQJ9865CAJ&nn=north&n=SK972HJT874DCKQ76&en=east&e=S843H93DT32CT9432&d=n&v=n&b=229&a=PPP2CPP2S6DPPP&p=S7S3SAD5DAS2D2D4DKH4D3D7DQS9DTS5DJH7C2S6D9H8C3STD8HTC4H2D6HJC9H5HAC6H3H6HKC7H9C5HQCQCTC8CACKS4SJCJSKS8SQ]400|300|[/color][/hv] Worthy of a post...?How do you go about looking into 7? Was playing randoms on IMP tables...so not made for tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Passing a forcing opener and trying for 7? Is this some sort of a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 no science just bid it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yet again...Obviously 7 is not to be tried with the full bidding here...the question is what is the best course to go about finding a POSSIBLE 7 before any bids are made. Even a hand that is not so drastically good. I posted this hand because it is the best hand I have ever seen outside of a Goulash tournament and want to know ways that exist to find out the information needed to accurately give 7 a shot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 For example...with my regular partner... I open 2C->reply3N asks for her to bid aces in a line, 4N asks for kings...rarely use it, but I like to have it for the hands that need one or two special card(s). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 North can and should throw all his spades away. Despite this he throws a club from kq to keep the spade king. This is a class one type error that I had in my beginner 7nt threads. Just as important, North should know to throw hearts, even if he is blind to his partner's discards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 North-South missed their 6♠ sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yet again...Obviously 7 is not to be tried with the full bidding here...I guess you may have got better responses had you posted just the West hand, and the bidding as (p)-p-(p)-2♣-(p)-2♦-(2♠), though it seemed obvious enough what you were asking :blink: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 In a sane world (P) P (2S) x(4S) P (P) 6D No way to find out about the K of Cs In the Wonderland in which you were playing, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 How do you go about finding 7? Well without opponents' interference I could bid 1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any... - 1♦ = 0-8 (almost) any1♠ = 18+ 3-suited or any unbal GF... - 2♣ = double negative3♦ = diamonds are trumps, GF... - 3♥ = total bust4♣ = asks about a club control (singleton)... - 5♦ = no6♦ Of course that is another Wonderland. Once the opps compete to 4/5♠ quickly it seems better just to take the plus in 6. Note that even having a specific king asking bid available is not the full solution here since a singleton with 2 trumps would be enough. Out of interest, why did South not open and why did East pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Most likely my partner chose to assume I had a 20-23 hcp hand that could not be supported to game alone. Usually is the case, but any 2C opener can be self supporting to game or in this case, higher. I was just happy to bid the hand to the appropriate level even though I was excited to even see such an amazing hand. To this point the best hand I have held outside of Goulash has been 2 balanced 27 hcp hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Would of actually been more amusing if partner answered 2D and I became dummy...Made me wish I had this hand on a live bridge day just to lay those cards down on the table...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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