HighLow21 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'm curious to see what A/E players would do in First Seat with this collection: [hv=pc=n&s=saqt62ha7532d62c8]133|100[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I wouldn't think twice about opening this. 2 & 1/2 quick tricks, rule of 20, good honor placement in our long suits, no problem with rebids...every point on the checklist for whether to open "borderline" hands is in favor of opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I don't care to play with PD's who don't open this. I honestly don't consider it borderline due to the ♠10 and 2.5 quick tricks and all 10 HCP in my two 5 card suits along with no rebid issues. Minimal yes, but slightly above borderline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Looks like a straightforward 1♠ to me, for all the reasons Chris listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 “I favor light opening bids. When you’re my age, you’re never sure they’re going to get back to you in time.” (Oswald Jacoby at 77) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would open this, but I believe Fred is on record in the past for passing similar type hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I honestly don't consider it borderline due to the 10♠I only count 5 ♠. ITYM ♠10. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I only count 5 ♠. ITYM ♠10. :) Oops..order matters will edit :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would open this, but I passed KJ98x / K109xxx / xx / -- in first seat at MP the other night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would open this, but I passed KJ98x / K109xxx / xx / -- in first seat at MP the other night. Agree with both 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank0 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 If you open partner makes a 2 over 1 forcing bid(in minor suit) and you end up in misfit 23HCP 3NT, if you don't you miss a double fit low HCP 4♥/♠. Personally I still open 1♠ in case on the next round I'm going to describe my hand at 3 level due to opp's bidding, but pass is a very reasonable alternative imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would open even with slightly less (change the sQ to the sJ for example), and I don't consider myself a wild man by any stretch when it comes to opening bids. This hand is substantially better than some random 4432 12-count that everyone would consider an obligatory opener. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I would open this, but I believe Fred is on record in the past for passing similar type hands. I am gonna go on record and say I doubt Fred would pass this. Maybe this will lure him back to the forums ;) It is one thing to pass 5-5 in the majors with ten hoping to bid later if you have little defense, or if you have bad suits or whatever, but AQTxx Axxxx is obv really powerful and is just a clear opener imo. Yes sometimes disaster happens and you get to a terrible 3N opposite a misfit, but the ten of spades and 2 and a half quick tricks make your hand just an opening bid imo. I know Fred has posted that the best way to show a 2 suiter that is almost an opener is sometimes to pass and bid later but I think he would open this hand. Will be interested to see his thoughts if he replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually. I miscounted my points yesterday and passed as dealer with 14. Worked out quite well actually. Musta been a good decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Certainly a 1S opening. Would open with Wilkosz or another two suited opening if playing these methods though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank0 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually.With this hand you have only one choice, call the director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I would open this, but I believe Fred is on record in the past for passing similar type hands.Playing a natural system I would pass some 10-counts with 5-5 in the majors, but with all of my strength in my long suits, 2 Aces, and the 10 of spades, this hand is a clear opening bid for me. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I would open even with slightly less (change the sQ to the sJ for example), and I don't consider myself a wild man by any stretch when it comes to opening bids. This hand is substantially better than some random 4432 12-count that everyone would consider an obligatory opener.This, it makes game pretty much trivially opposite the right 4234 7 count which a lot of minimum openings won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Like nearly everybody else, I open 1♠. How bad would you feel if you passed, and the hand were passed out?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyunuS Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 You should pass. It's very unlikely it'll pass out when others probably have good distribution, too, and then you won't end up in over your head. Even if it does pass out, it's not all that big of a loss. If you open and your partner ends up bidding a slam, you're probably screwed, and you're also screwed in some cases on anything 3NT or higher since he/she'll overrate how many points your team has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMunk Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 I'm curious to see what A/E players would do in First Seat with this collection: [hv=pc=n&s=saqt62ha7532d62c8]133|100[/hv] I have to disagree. This is not borderline. This is a very,very,very clear 1♠ opening. Good offence, good suits, high ranking suits, good defence, high playing strength. Even thinking about passing this hand is an error in my view. True, if your partner has a misfitting hand your hand will be a disapointment. But still, you have two aces to him if he ends up bidding a minor suit slam on his own.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 I'm sorry, but none of this post makes any sense: You should pass. It's very unlikely it'll pass out when others probably have good distribution, too, and then you won't end up in over your head.Your concession that it might be bad if the deal was passed out amounts to a tacit admission that you want to be in the auction with this hand at some point. Why not simply get in quickly with an opening bid, especially when you have an easy, descriptive rebid? This seems far less risky than waiting until a subsequent round to make your first noise, after letting the opponents exchange information about their own hands and possibly elevating the bidding to an uncomfortable level. Even if it does pass out, it's not all that big of a loss. Unless you count the many plus scores your side could have earned by reaching a good partscore (or even game) if you had opened. If everyone else at the table has a balanced ten-count (the most likely scenario for a pass-out), don't you like your chances of making a partscore in one of the majors? If you open and your partner ends up bidding a slam, you're probably screwed, and you're also screwed in some cases on anything 3NT or higher since he/she'll overrate how many points your team has.If, after you open the bidding, your partner simply bids a slam with no further input from you, then one of two things is happening: either your partner has an ENORMOUS hand, in which case your two aces should not prove a disappointment; or you have a real problem, namely, a fundamental misapprehension of the purpose of dialogue bidding. Hopefully, your partner will allow you to more fully describe the nature of your hand (spades, hearts, minimum opening bid values but good controls, etc.) rather than deciding on a unilateral course of action. Your main objection to opening with this hand seems to be that partner will play you for more than you actually have. I think that is erroneous for several reasons, but the main one is that this hand is simply good enough to open. If it doesn't fall within your partnership parameters for opening the bidding, okay, that's fine. (I think it's wrong, and the unanimity of the good players who have posted responses here suggests you may want to reconsider, but that's your business.) But don't let it be because there aren't 13 HCP in the hand; that kind of bean-counting is not very effective on unbalanced hands. Of course there is a risk of getting too high if you open the bidding, but that is the case every time you open anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 In response to Dave...I find opening 2NT or 1NT will get you in more trouble than opening this hand...bad fit, lack of points, ect...but is that a reason to not open 1NT or 2NT? As said...any open risks a disaster...but not opening in fear of that, is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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