What's the meaning of X if 1S promise 5?

[frank0]

You play 2/1 or sayc,

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Your agreement is partner's 1♠ shows 5(X shows 4), what do you think you're X mean?

[manudude03]

Personally, I still like to play support doubles here, big difference between a 5-3 fit and a 5-4.

[mich-b]

We play Double here as a strong hand without a clear direction , denying 3♠s.

Typically 2254, but some other shapes possible like 1354 , 2263 etc..

[BunnyGo]

In different partnerships I've played both of the above meanings. However (and I don't mean to distract from your question), I'd recommend changing the meaning 1♠ to showing at most 3 spades, competitive values, no heart stopper, and no clear direction in any auction starting:

 

1m-(1H)-??

 

This makes bidding hands like:

 

Axx, Txx, KQx, Jxxx

 

much easier. Otherwise you'd have to pass with the start 1♦-(1♥)-??.

 

The only change you have to make is for the auction

 

1m-(1H)-X to show either 4 or 5 spades, and then support doubles are clearly on.

[jallerton]

In different partnerships I've played both of the above meanings. However (and I don't mean to distract from your question), I'd recommend changing the meaning 1♠ to showing at most 3 spades, competitive values, no heart stopper, and no clear direction in any auction starting:

 

1m-(1H)-??

 

This makes bidding hands like:

 

Axx, Txx, KQx, Jxxx

 

much easier. Otherwise you'd have to pass with the start 1♦-(1♥)-??.

 

The only change you have to make is for the auction

 

1m-(1H)-X to show either 4 or 5 spades, and then support doubles are clearly on.

 

Your recommendation works well when hands turn up which have values, fewer than 4 spades and unsuitable for a raise, but there are other hands where it works better to distinguish between exactly 4 spades & 5+ spades. For example, if the next hand jump raises in hearts, it can be very useful for Opener to know how many spades partner has.

 

I play both treatments, but I'm not sure which is better overall.

[P_Marlowe]

We played X for T/O, we switched back to 1S showing 4+,

so it is now support, which is quite similar to T/O, not

the same, but quite similar.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Siegmund]

With two partners I play X as a doubleton honor in spades and a desire to compete if responder has promised 5.

 

In the past I used it to distinguish 3- and 4-card support. I have no strong feeling which is better.

[JLOGIC]

I like support still

[bluecalm]

I like support still

 

I like 16+ any hand without 4 spades, still... :)

[whereagles]

bluecam FTW!

[bluecalm]

I mean I am serious :) Support is terrible in standard.

First of all I need a bid with say: xx x AKxxx AJTxx and that bid should be 3C.

Good/bad 2NT could solve this problem but not really as 2N is also needed as natural.

So if I play support and I get dealt:

xx xx AKQxx AKxx or Ax x AKQxxx KJx or Ax AJx AQxx Kxx or x AQ AKJTxx Kxxx I guess i am just eating my cards if I play support double here at least with 3 of those hands (which ones depends if I employ good/bad 2NT)