Tomi2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 you are 1st hand, teams, red-red p - p - 2♠ - pp - 3♦ - p - 3♥p - 4♥ - X - ppp you hold xxaqxxxxxkxxx partner rarely doubles normal contracts your ideas? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Looks like I have quite a few tricks in hand. I think just leading partner's spades seems like a good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 This should be a Lightner I think. From my hand Lightner seems highly unlikely. I'm leading partner's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think that partner has strong diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Partner asked for an unusual lead, most often dummies suit. I will lead one, I have no reason to overrule him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Partner doubled because 2 passed hands reached game and trump are breaking badly.Tricks in ♦ are not running anywhere, but ♠ may go on ♦. So ♠ for me. Yu http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 What is our understanding about a 3rd seat vulnerable 2♠ opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Partner doubled because 2 passed hands reached game and trump are breaking badly. Yu http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gifDeclarer is not a passed hand :rolleyes: yea he is limited. but not a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 What is our understanding about a 3rd seat vulnerable 2♠ opening? can be quite strong but sees no game with a random 11 bal count. on a bad day qjtxxxx in spades and nothing outside, but probably not this board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 It's an obvious Lightner double. Usually that would be because he has a void, but that's unlikely here. Perhaps he has something like Q10xxxx x AQ xxxx and wants us to take two diamonds, a black ace and a ruff. Or perhaps he has a singleton ace of diamonds. Anyway, I lead a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Declarer is not a passed hand :rolleyes: yea he is limited. but not a passed hand. Hmm...true but he is pretty limited. The hearts are also likely 4441 (otherwise he might bid 3♥ directly?), so I dont think that partner is void of any suit.Still I control the trump suit, so don't think that any defensive tricks except spades might go away even if declare holds AKQ♠. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Lowest diamond. The double must be a Lightner double. Partner cannot know that I have as much as I do, so he took a shot that a diamond lead would be needed to have a chance to beat 4♥. For all that partner knows, my RHO could have a strong hand with a penalty double of 2♠. This doesn't appear to be the case, but if the double is not Lightner, it is highly speculative, as he cannot count on me for anything significant. In any event, he should be able to stand a diamond lead. As for the choice of diamond, I probably want a club returned, so I lead my lowest diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Hmm...true but he is pretty limited. The hearts are also likely 4441 (otherwise he might bid 3♥ directly?), so I dont think that partner is void of any suit.Still I control the trump suit, so don't think that any defensive tricks except spades might go away even if declare holds AKQ♠. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif you expect the declarer to run out of 3 dia to 3hearts on 4 cards and the balancer to bid like this with 4 harts and lonnger dias? I would overthink this... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 There's a really small chance of a club ruff here, but enough of one that I'll consider it. And then I'll lead a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 you expect the declarer to run out of 3 dia to 3hearts on 4 cards and the balancer to bid like this with 4 harts and lonnger dias? I would overthink this... I dont think declarer is running anywhere, I think he has a pretty good hand that had nothing to bid over 2♠, otherwise he really should pass 3♦. If you usually try to "save" partner from his suit without values - I would rethink that....Declarer can withstand 4♦ from partner (in case 3♥ gets doubled for example). If declarer had a good hand and 5 card ♥ I would expect him to bid 3♥ the previous round, so it seems like he has something like 3:4:2:4 with about 12-15, and the balancer probably has only 2 clubs or the hearts are really bad so he decided to bid his good and long suit rather than double.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Yu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I dont think declarer is running anywhere, I think he has a pretty good hand that had nothing to bid over 2♠, otherwise he really should pass 3♦. If you usually try to "save" partner from his suit without values - I would rethink that....Declarer can withstand 4♦ from partner (in case 3♥ gets doubled for example). If declarer had a good hand and 5 card ♥ I would expect him to bid 3♥ the previous round, so it seems like he has something like 3:4:2:4 with about 12-15, and the balancer probably has only 2 clubs or the hearts are really bad so he decided to bid his good and long suit rather than double.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Yu I think your style is not playable... how can reopener know if partner wants to force to game and has 4 hearts but points or real hearts but not enough poits? 4-2 fits dont play well... balancer could have reopened either with a double and correct partners 3 clubs to 3 diamonds or bid 2nt also correcting... since he IS a passed hand and truly limited - both actions can't be strong! Declarer had 5 or more hearts and a hand that is too weak to act directly over 2 spades facing a passed hand, balancer has found some maximum to raise partners encouraging but not forcing natural 3 heart bid here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think your style is not playable... how can reopener know if partner wants to force to game and has 4 hearts but points or real hearts but not enough poits? 4-2 fits dont play well... balancer could have reopened either with a double and correct partners 3 clubs to 3 diamonds or bid 2nt also correcting... since he IS a passed hand and truly limited - both actions can't be strong! Declarer had 5 or more hearts and a hand that is too weak to act directly over 2 spades facing a passed hand, balancer has found some maximum to raise partners encouraging but not forcing natural 3 heart bid here So you think that a hand that was not strong enough to act over 2♠ given a 5-6 card suit, is good enough to effectively force a balancing passed hand to a 4 level vulnerable (just in case balancer actually has diamonds and single ♥ for example) ? This seems to me much less playable.....it is like opening insufficient hands in 4th seat or preempting over a preempt....my favorite style of opponents bidding.Yu http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 So you think that a hand that was not strong enough to act over 2♠ given a 5-6 card suit, is good enough to effectively force a balancing passed hand to a 4 level vulnerable (just in case balancer actually has diamonds and single ♥ for example) ? This seems to me much less playable.....it is like opening insufficient hands in 4th seat or preempting over a preempt....my favorite style of opponents bidding.Yu http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif do you overcall every 12/13 hcp with 5 hearts over 2 spades on 3rd level vulnerable? I think passing and then bidding 3 hearts leaves partner more space to pass 3 hearts than bidding directly, where he will rise you with most 8 counts. auctually he had aqx - j98xxx - qx - qj this does not look like a 3 heart bid directly but worth a try in the 2nd round once he knows partner has close to an opening I think if he overcalled this directly he would have been in many bad games while passing and then 3 hearts makes partner pass on a non fitting hand and raise with some heart fit - that is what he needs...so I disagree to your statement, that my way and my oponents way to bid 3 hearts effectively forces you to games - its the other way round... to solve this problems: one need to cash the club tricks, opener has kjtxxx - / - xxx - Atxx and had some fear that a passive defense will let the contract make dummy had xx - ktx - akjxx - xxx on a dia or spade lead one club goes on the 3rd dia and the other on the 4th only one guy I asked solved this problem, his idea was: lead the ace of hearts(!!) and watch the dummy, I liked this idea and try to find out, if its possible to find this lead - it seems very hard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I don't think it's that hard.We have 3 tricks. If partner has diamond trick nothing will save declarer. If he hasn't we better cash ours before they go away on diamonds.Now we need to decide which ace to lead. Is it possible that partner's KQs tricks disappear on clubs if we lead A[clubs} ? It could be so, so A♥ looks better. Btw, some good card sense from partner doubling it. I am impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I agree with Yu about the double. Yes 3♥ bidder is not coming from pass and probably has apprx an opener, but it is obvious they are playing a borderline game and pd probably knows this plus wants us not to lead ♠, but if pd is not a maniac the lead shdnt matter imo. Pd has short ♥ and short ♦ too ? If he has ♦ honours, where are they going ? I'd probably lead ♠ or ♣ EDIT: I also like Bluecalm's ♥ A idea. As a matter of fact probably the best lead. We may lose tempo for this lead but better than shooting in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 to solve this problems: one need to cash the club tricks, opener has kjtxxx - / - xxx - Atxx and had some fear that a passive defense will let the contract make dummy had xx - ktx - akjxx - xxxI am not sure this is such a good double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I am sure this is not a good double. You can't just invent a meaning for a bid because it happens to match what you were dealt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I would play it as a tiger double. Opening hand with strong diamonds and no respect for the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 This dbl is giving me a headache. Obviously pard doesn't want a spade lead, so I'll lead a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I'd take it as a Lightner double and lead a diamond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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