wank Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sakqjt2hkt32dk2c2&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s2c2dp3sp4sp]133|200[/hv] cue, keycard, punt or ask for the dummy? added question: do you agree with 3♠? lest there be any doubt, 2♦ was 1RF, 3♠ was GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sakqjt2hkt32dk2c2&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s2c2dp3sp4sp]133|200[/hv] cue, keycard, punt or ask for the dummy? lest there be any doubt, 2♦ was 1RF, 3♠ was GF I'm done. I don't think partner can have 2 keycards and enough of a hand to get rid of all my heart losers without making a cue bid of either clubs or hearts (both of which I think would be unambiguously in support of spades) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Easy pass if we trust partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 ok i passed, but i suspected it might one of those situations where i'm always thinking the glass is half empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think 3♠ rebid gave the full value of the hand and partner made a decision. A lot depends on how much the partnership will stretch to compete over the 2♣ overcall. If 2♦ doesn't promise 10+, which I don't think it should, then 4♠ seems fine to me. But I wouldn't be surprised to see 12 cold tricks a fair amount of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 thikning partner might have AQxxx and outside ace (hopefully hearts) is no that hard. But its more unlikelly than going down at the 5 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 3S is a very nice bid, its almost pointless to show the H here as a 4-4 fit wont produce more tricks than spades. It would be sad to waste the 3S bid by overidding partner. 3S set S as trumps, so partner has 3/4 (depending if 3Nt is to play) slam try available and he choose 4S so hes going to have some crap not 2 aces and a working Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Seems like an easy 4NT to me. Pretty normal to find pard with ♥A and ♦AQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 3S is a very nice bid, its almost pointless to show the H here as a 4-4 fit wont produce more tricks than spades. It would be sad to waste the 3S bid by overidding partner. 3S set S as trumps, so partner has 3/4 (depending if 3Nt is to play) slam try available and he choose 4S so hes going to have some crap not 2 aces and a working Q.Well tbf he doesn't know ♦AQxxx(x) is a working Q, it's not great opposite a stiff, even ♦Axxxxx and ♥A may well be plenty. I'm fortunate to have a GF not necessarily balanced 2N rebid available in my system, so get some more information before bidding 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Unless 2♦ promised a gf, I'm done. Bidding again assumes either an unlikely combination of 'magic' cards or that partner messed up by not making a cue. We may miss slam, but I have no call over 4♠ that tells me that I can bid slam safely anyway. While 2 keycards sort of forces me to bid slam, there are lots of layouts on which 2 keycards simply isn't enough. It's not that we don't have 5 level safety....we probably do....it's more that I won't be able to tell what to do after having forced to the 5-level....often times, when keycard isn't adequate, we can resort to cuebidding, but we can't effectively do so here, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Bidding 3♠ with a nut-hand instead a space-preserving 3♣ is pretty bad. But if I was forced to bid against myself, keycard now should be obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Bidding 3♠ with a nut-hand instead a space-preserving 3♣ is pretty bad. But if I was forced to bid against myself, keycard now should be obvious.I like 3♠. 3♣ should imply diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sakqjt2hkt32dk2c2&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s2c2dp3sp4sp]133|200[/hv] cue, keycard, punt or ask for the dummy? added question: do you agree with 3♠? lest there be any doubt, 2♦ was 1RF, 3♠ was GF seems unbelievable to me that noone wants to bid2h (over 2d 1rf). We can always override with spadeswhatever p may want to do later. Letting p know aboutat least 9 of the cards in our hand allows them to make much better decisions on how their hand fitswith ours. There is no reason slam is out of the question and2h keeps the bidding as low as possible and allowsfor as much exploration as possible. imagine p hasx QJT Axxxxx Axx bidding goes 1s 2c (opp) 2d 2h 2n 4sp knows you have indpendent spade suitand your delayed jump indicates at leastmild slam interest (principal of fast arrival). What other bidding sequence allows p to know the full value of their heart holding?? If p trusts you at all they would jump to 6s with that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 seems unbelievable to me that noone wants to bid2h (over 2d 1rf). We can always override with spadeswhatever p may want to do later. Letting p know aboutat least 9 of the cards in our hand allows them to make much better decisions on how their hand fitswith ours. There is no reason slam is out of the question and2h keeps the bidding as low as possible and allowsfor as much exploration as possible. imagine p hasx QJT Axxxxx Axx bidding goes 1s 2c (opp) 2d 2h 2n 4sp knows you have indpendent spade suitand your delayed jump indicates at leastmild slam interest (principal of fast arrival). What other bidding sequence allows p to know the full value of their heart holding?? If p trusts you at all they would jump to 6s with that hand.What about xx AQxx J10xxx Ax or even better hearts- then 6♥ is better than 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 i would bid 2h but you need some good system later to show shape and strangth which might be difficult to achieve as 2D is not yet GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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