Overcall or not?

[whereagles]

Matchpoints, expert pard and adv opps.

 

vuln vs non-vuln, you hold:

 

♠ Axx

♥ KJxxx

♦ xx

♣ xxx

 

RHO you LHO pard

1♣ pass pass dbl

pass 2♥ pass pass

2♠ ...?

 

1. Would you have overcalled 1st round?

2. What do you do bid now?

[the hog]

1). No

2) Suspect pd has a 3443 or similar shape. 3H should be safe.

[joker_gib]

1) No

2) Pass (I already bid my hand with 2♥ and I think I should have bid only 1♥)

[Wiste1]

1) No

2) Pass, i bid what i have with 2♥; nothing extra to show

[Flame]

1.NO

2. Unlike what ppl said before i didnt show all i got, i have 5 hearts and i only showed 4 and this is critical. Also thier being unvul suggest bidding if i think we can make, if it was bidding 3H over thier 2sp i might have taken it, but this is not the case here, 2sp is not thier contract, they will corect to 3c, now its a 3 over 3 decsion, which i dont think i have enough for, also now partner has another bid, with some extra hcp he will double again, or bid 3h with 4 heart and club shortness. if he dont have extra there is a good chance we will go down in 3h.

so I PASS

[bearmum]

1 NO ;)

2 PASS I have nothing more to tell P :)

[Free]

1) Yes :)

2) Dunno... Pass I guess... this problem doesn't occur when you overcalled first round ;)

[Fluffy]

1) Yes

2) 1♥ was enoug for me previous round, pass now.

[the hog]

You have all forgotten it is MPs - count the total tricks!

[whereagles]

By the way, what if your hand were

 

xx

KJxxx

Axx

xxx

 

Would you now bid 3H on the same auction?

[inquiry]

I would not overcall on the first round. This is matchpoints, we are vulnerable, and if partner raises I might go for 200 against just a partscore.

 

I would not bid 3♥ now, nor would I have bid 2♥ last time, LOTT or not. First, partner's reopening double can be (and often is) light. If I had bid only 1♥, the odds are good that I could now be BIDDING only 2♥ over 1♠, which would describe my hand perfectly.

 

Finally, partner heard my overbid of 2♥ and choose to pass over 2♠. The fifth trump does not give me the right to bid again here, LOTT or not, especially at matchpoint. And partner rates to have 3 or 4 ♠ on this auction, so they are in a 6 or 7 card fit at the two level. Even if partner has 4 ♥s, which he may not, the total tricks is may be 9+6 = 17, so it has already been overbid. At matchpoints, down two in three hearts or one doubled will be a total disaster, and they are likely not even in their best fit, as they probably have eight clubs or eight diamonds. Who knows, your lho may have only 5 crappy spades and is thinking 2♠ here implies a club fit but rho is not on the same wavelegnth, so your partners very light balance got them out of +110 (1♣ making 3) into 2♠ down one (-50 for them)... and even if they make 2♠, that might be equal to 3♣ making and less than if they can make 4♣. DONT HANG YOUR PARTNER for balancing.

 

Ben

[jtfanclub]

I agree completely, except...

 

Finally, partner heard my overbid of 2♥ and choose to pass over 2♠.

 

Partner hasn't had a chance to bid over 2♠. I wouldn't assume that if I pass the auction is over. If partner has four hearts and fewer than 4 spades, he may compete up to 3♥ without my help. That's all the more reason to pass.

 

I'm not misreading the bidding, am I? Opener bid 2♠, not responder.

[inquiry]

I agree completely, except...

 

Finally, partner heard my overbid of 2♥ and choose to pass over 2♠.

 

Partner hasn't had a chance to bid over 2♠. I wouldn't assume that if I pass the auction is over. If partner has four hearts and fewer than 4 spades, he may compete up to 3♥ without my help. That's all the more reason to pass.

 

I'm not misreading the bidding, am I? Opener bid 2♠, not responder.

Sorry I misread (actually forgot what the auction was) auction. Yes, partner hasn't had a chance to bid yet... but even still, I would pass here.... as you say all the more reason to pass.... opener has stuck his neck out with a four card spade suit, and they maybe in even a shorter trump suit.

 

Ben

[pclayton]

1. Used to overcall; now I pass. Main reason is the xxx of clubs, and I'd like the 10♥ too.

 

2. Pass. Easier this time than the last. I'm OK with 2♥ here. See what pard has to say about 2♠.

[Guest Jlall]

1. red/white i pass. make me non vul and i get in there.

 

2. pass. partner is still there, if he has 4 hearts he'll bid (almost always). If not, he has some spade length and will pass. Of course i expect them to correct to 3C so i'll have another chance (if pard doesnt bid over 3C i will pass that out too, expecting something like 4342).