bd71 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=skt8hktd9874cqt52&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1s3d]133|200[/hv] Agreements are that 3rd seat openers can be very light. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 :P Pass. In tempo I hope. Pard should not be light at these colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 3♠ happily enough. hand should play pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 This is a pretty good hand. 8 HCP but 3 tens, trump support, a doubleton heart and a 4-card weak diamond side suit. Nice. Partner's going to like our 3 non-♦ tens quite a bit. If your partner has a decent hand he should hopefully know to reopen with a double or bid 3♥ (or rebid 3♠) next, playing you for about 6-10 points with no clear action over 3♦. (With more than that, you would bid at the 4 level over his reopening double.) He, like you, knows your side almost certainly has half the deck or more. I would pass and trust that if 3♦ is passed out, you didn't miss a making 3♠. Maybe he has something like AQ9xx♠ Jxx♥ xx♦ Axx♣. But I think this is pretty unlikely. Why? Partner should have 2 diamonds at most and likely only 1; if he cannot reopen, you probably missed nothing, and he almost certainly opened on a bad 11 or 12 and no longer likes the hand. Jdeegan makes a good point: partner should not be light on these colors, and the auction confirms this. LHO and RHO have sub-openers, so partner will have 12+ points at least 90% of the time in my estimation, and may have a 20-count. To me that all makes this pass maximum or even slightly super-max. In other words, pass only with a partner you trust to reopen whenever even remotely reasonable. By the way... if partner reopens with a double, I'm as tempted to go 4♠ as 3♠ in response. If you are NOT 100% sure your partner would reopen whenever possible, I would bid 3♠. Your red suit distributions will line up well for crossruffing (you rate to have some heats to ruff in partner's hand, and both red suits will be ruff-right), and you have nothing wasted in diamonds. You would adore another small trump, but sometimes life isn't like that. Partner will probably bid game most of the time there is a play for it. If you respond 3♠, or partner doubles and you respond 3♠, and then partner goes game over your 3♠ bid, expect to make it nearly always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 This is a pretty good hand. 8 HCP but 3 tens, trump support, a doubleton heart and a 4-card weak diamond side suit. Nice. Partner's going to like our 3 non-♦ tens quite a bit. If your partner has a decent hand he should hopefully know to reopen with a double or bid 3♥ (or rebid 3♠) next, playing you for about 6-10 points with no clear action over 3♦. (With more than that, you would bid at the 4 level over his reopening double.) He, like you, knows your side almost certainly has half the deck or more. I would pass and trust that if 3♦ is passed out, you didn't miss a making 3♠. Maybe he has something like AQ9xx♠ Jxx♥ xx♦ Axx♣. But I think this is pretty unlikely. Why? Partner should have 2 diamonds at most and likely only 1; if he cannot reopen, you probably missed nothing, and he almost certainly opened on a bad 11 or 12 and no longer likes the hand. Jdeegan makes a good point: partner should not be light on these colors, and the auction confirms this. LHO and RHO have sub-openers, so partner will have 12+ points at least 90% of the time in my estimation, and may have a 20-count. To me that all makes this pass maximum or even slightly super-max. In other words, pass only with a partner you trust to reopen whenever even remotely reasonable. By the way... if partner reopens with a double, I'm as tempted to go 4♠ as 3♠ in response. If you are NOT 100% sure your partner would reopen whenever possible, I would bid 3♠. Your red suit distributions will line up well for crossruffing (you rate to have some heats to ruff in partner's hand, and both red suits will be ruff-right), and you have nothing wasted in diamonds. You would adore another small trump, but sometimes life isn't like that. Partner will probably bid game most of the time there is a play for it. If you respond 3♠, or partner doubles and you respond 3♠, and then partner goes game over your 3♠ bid, expect to make it nearly always. Thats why i would bid 3♠ now because it will be flipping coin when pd doubles and i have to choose what to bid. Pass now and 4 later can be too much, pass now and 3 later is like...as if i am bidding because i was forced to. I would just bid now, i dont have a great hand but i dont have a bad hand either, no wasted ♦ values vs pd's shortness seems good. My only concern is having only 3 card support and balanced hand but hey life is always tuff after preempts, who knows perhaps pass is the winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Seems like an esy 3S to me. Sure, pard can be weak. But he's not ALWAYS weak :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Seems like an esy 3S to me. Sure, pard can be weak. But he's not ALWAYS weak :P You've never played with me, it seems :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 hooo another sales opportunity for my Meckwell back brace/corset for those hard but necessary potential game bids...3♠...STIFFEN YOU SPINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm bidding 3♠ now, I don't like passing and bidding 3, nor bidding 4 over partners reopening X or bid. That punishes him for doing it on hands with the right shapes but minimum points. Agree R/W 3rd seats shouldn't be that weak, 10 count good with a good suit about the worst he should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 on the bidding he should have a real opener, E has at most, what, a 11 count? You have 8 and the pre-empter probably doesn't have an amazing hand for his NV vs V pre-empt though he probably does have a decent diamond suit so call it 8 points. That leaves partner with a 16 count, so it's unlikely he's sub minimum though a 12-14 count is definitely plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 3♠, just competing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I sometimes think people overcomplicate things. You have a perfectly decent hand with nothing wasted in diamonds and three good trumps. It looks a normal, although minimum, 3S bid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I sometimes think people overcomplicate things. You have a perfectly decent hand with nothing wasted in diamonds and three good trumps. It looks a normal, although minimum, 3S bid. Ya I thought about this one some more and I probably would compete with 3♠ too. My shape is decent, and if I had a 4th trump I'd bid a limit 3♠ over no competition. My only thought was that a 3♠ call now might turn partner off to game if he's got a decent minimum with a little shape, if he takes 3♠ as strictly competitive with no game interest. 4♠ might still be the right spot. I think I'll backtrack and say 3♠ trusting partner to count on a hand like this when he's worth a stab at game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 This is a down the middle 3S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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