jillybean Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sa2h982djt642ckj8&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p2c2sp*p3hp3sp4hp?]133|200[/hv] pass = values Have you done enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sa2h982djt642ckj8&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p2c2sp*p3hp3sp4hp?]133|200[/hv] pass = values Have you done enough? No I am not stopping in game with 9 count +fit vs a 2♣ opener. I almost have a 3 card limit raise (i wouldnt but most people do) if pd opened 1♥ and it will be too pessimistic to pass 4♥ now imo. I have seen similar auctions so many times, south thinking he has done enough by cueing, North thinking he already opened 2 ♣ and he has nothing extra, both satisfied with their bids playing a slam or grandslam hand in game. Unless of course if pd is known to open 2♣ agressiveley. But even then there is a reason why he choosed to open 2♣, and that reason is he valued his hand more than opening 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 What do you bid, 4♠ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Interesting auction; does 3♠ promise heart support or can it be a probe for 3NT? Is 3♥/4♥ stronger than a direct 4♥? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 passing would be a crime even in the BaIBy forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 3♠ is showing heart support but I expect partner to bid 3N with a ♠ stopper.3♥ is showing a 5+ ♥ suit, I'm not sure 4♥ exists in this auction. (this is a new partnership so we don't have detailed agreements for these sequences) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 edit: nm, I think I misread jb's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flametree Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Definitely keep bidding. I'd like to see a poll on what people think of 4S, 4NT, 5C and 5H as possible bids now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Gnarly and undiscussed in my partnership. I would bid 4♠ and hope for the best. If pard bids 4nt I'm bidding 5♣. That wasn't blackwood was it?If they bid 5♣ I'll try 5♥If they bid 5♦ I didn't go this far not to bid slam. I have my apologies ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Partner didn't cue over 3♠ and you are all still pushing on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Partner didn't cue over 3♠ and you are all still pushing on? Pd can not have a hand that has no cue available btw. He couldnt even bid 3NT over 3♠, try to place 22 hcp in 3 suits. I am not even sure if 3♠ neccesarilly promised ♥ fit so i am actually expecting a good ♥ suit from pd. 3♠ bidder can have a strong hand with or without ♠ stopper and no ♥ fit, yet too strong to just bid 3NT. AJ9xxQxxxKJxx what was responder supposed to bid with this ? He would pass because it is w/w and he is happy to play 2♠ doubled if pd doubles, and he will cue over 3♥ since he is too strong to bid 3 NT. xxxxxKQxxKJxx What was he supposed to bid over 3♥ with this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Partner didn't cue over 3♠ and you are all still pushing on?Yes. We will discuss what a 2C opening bid looks like, if we are not safe at at least the 5-level. 4S seems right at the moment, since I am not sure I have really shown the Ace yet. Pass=values over 2S could have been a whole lot less than what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pass=values over 2S could have been a whole lot less than what I have. Yes, basically it should be any hand better than 2nd negative imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I wish I had spent some more time thinking this at the table. Partner actually forgot pass=values and thought I was showing negative but I could still have saved it. [hv=pc=n&s=sa2h982djt642ckj8&n=s7hakqj6dak98ca43&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=2c2spp3hp3sp4hppp]266|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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