bluecalm Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 1♥ - pass - 4♥ - passpass dbl Please no "in pick-up partnership this is...", this is serious question about the best agreement, not about practical choices when you don't know and have to guess.So... ? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 What double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Clearly takeout. Or penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Damn I am sorry :) Edited OP to add the bidding :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I have it defined as penalty, i.e. trumps not breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Penalty. An equally relevant question is "what is 4'♠'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 penalty here, I could have taken out 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Penalty. An equally relevant question is "what is 4'♠'?If you think that there are some hands that might want to bid 4♠, shouldn't you use double for that hand-type instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Penalty. An equally relevant question is "what is 4'♠'?If you think that there are some hands that might want to bid 4♠, shouldn't you use double for that hand-type instead?I think Phil was not asking a question. I smiled, anyway; if it wasn't an attempt at irony or some other form of humor, it served that purpose for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Penalty. An equally relevant question is "what is 4'♠'? I have opinion of two world champions, granted in some toy categories (juniors and univ) but still who think it's for takeout so don't be so fast to judge... I could have taken out 1H. Well... what about: KQxx - KJTxx JT9x, aren't you tempted to fight ? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 penalty here, I could have taken out 1H.Well... what about: KQxx - KJTxx JT9x, aren't you tempted to fight ? :)penalty here, I could have taken out 1H. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Well... what about: KQxx - KJTxx JT9x, aren't you tempted to fight ? :)I would have doubled 1♥ with that. I think that applies to all three-suiters that might want to act at the four-level. If there's a hand where you might want to act, it must be a two-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Well... what about: KQxx - KJTxx JT9x, aren't you tempted to fight ? :) Thats an auto DBL of 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 A 2H overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I've replied given my partnership agreement (penalty) but you've missed out "two-way" as an option in your poll, i.e. either - 4 or 5 good hearts, penalties, or- void heart, very distributional, not strong enough to act over 1H which is playable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Penalty. An equally relevant question is "what is 4'♠'? To me 4♠ if vulnerability is friendly is something like this if i am playing with a conservative preempter, basically gambling (some call it completing the xfer) ; JxxxxxxKxxxxx Unless of course our style allows us to overcall 2♠ with this at the first place. Call me maniac but thats 2♠ overcall for me at favourable or equal. I find this more comfy than talking myself into bidding or passing over 4♥ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ok guys, if this is too obvious, what about: 1♥ pass 3♥ passpass dbl = ? Btw, I doubled with KJT8x of trumps on previous one and I still stand for penalty but I can see argument for playing this as t/o and I don't consider it ridiculous at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Ok guys, if this is too obvious, what about: 1♥ pass 3♥ passpass dbl = ?I can imagine wanting to make a three-suited takeout double at this level, with a 40xx shape which is just too weak for a double of 1♥, eg K10xx - KJTxx JT9x. That's certainly more likely than a penalty double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Btw, I doubled with KJT8x of trumps on previous one and I still stand for penalty but I can see argument for playing this as t/o and I don't consider it ridiculous at all.It's unusual for the defenders to have five trumps on this auction. What sort of hand did responder have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Polarized. Pure penalty or thin takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 What sort of hand did responder have? Balanced raise to 4H. It was against randoms on bbo though so no alerts and stuff... Polarized. Pure penalty or thin takeout. I am not a fan. I still should have included the option in the poll though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 1♥ - pass - 4♥ - passpass dbl Please no "in pick-up partnership this is...", this is serious question about the best agreement, not about practical choices when you don't know and have to guess.So... ? :) thot this was BBF where ALL doubles are takeout and NO PROTECTION doubles are allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Technical question: is it possible to multiquote Wyman both before and after Bluecalm? Yeah, copy and paste the wyman quote from above to below... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yeah, copy and paste the wyman quote from above to below...Duh, I should have known that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Seems like the most obvious penalty double ever. Sometimes you hold Axx AQT Axxx xxx or whatever. I think this is a terrible auction for 2 way doubles also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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