bd71 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp2h2n]133|100[/hv] Generic 2/1. With no specific agreement, how would you intend or interpret 2N? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I would usually bid my better minor unless I had very long spades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 minors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Unusual for the minors.It is not the same with a 4th seat balance where: 1H - p - p - 2NT = natural . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Minors, but 1♠ P 2♠ 2N is, imo, better played as any two suited takeout 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I would prefer to play the Romanian 2NT in mikeh's auction: hearts and a minor. As gwnn might say, I like hearts better than clubs. I would agree that any two suits is the "standard" meaning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raff90 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 For me its minors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Of course, Standard is to play 2NT as a variation of Treadwell. It shows a heart stopper and asks partner to bid 3NT with a long running suit. But, playing 2/1, we are showing the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Of course, Standard is to play 2NT as a variation of Treadwell. It shows a heart stopper and asks partner to bid 3NT with a long running suit. But, playing 2/1, we are showing the minors.I am not sure if that is Treadwell or Inverted Treadwell (with the other showing a solid suit and asking for a heart stopper). You probably have it right. Thanks for the tribute to Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Natural. I'll try this method for 10 years and get back to you.My guess is I'll do better by 2021, when opener will often have a 10-count & responder 4. This may seem silly to you but consider (1♦) no (2♦) 2NT, where natural seems even more sensible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Yu Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Natural. I'll try this method for 10 years and get back to you.My guess is I'll do better by 2021, when opener will often have a 10-count & responder 4. This may seem silly to you but consider (1♦) no (2♦) 2NT, where natural seems even more sensible.Well, given that most people play this as inverted minor, 2NT natural is hardly useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Well, given that most people play this as inverted minor, 2NT natural is hardly useful.Yeah, the argument works better for the OP case of 1♥-2♥. By 2022 this may well just promise 13 cards B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Lurpoa and Statto are on an upvoting spree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Minors, but 1♠ P 2♠ 2N is, imo, better played as any two suited takeout Mike you gotta get with the times, this is almost standard as michaels at the top level now. That is probably more of an imp treatment, but it's important to get to 4H, and partner showing any 2 suits hurts that a lot. I remember Diamond-Platnick had a disaster because they had a misunderstanding about that, I'm not sure if one of them assumed it was michaels or if they had that agreement and one of them forgot. Agree 1H p 2H 2N is minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Mike you gotta get with the times, this is almost standard as michaels at the top level now. That is probably more of an imp treatment, but it's important to get to 4H, and partner showing any 2 suits hurts that a lot. I remember Diamond-Platnick had a disaster because they had a misunderstanding about that, I'm not sure if one of them assumed it was michaels or if they had that agreement and one of them forgot. Agree 1H p 2H 2N is minors. I have got to get out more :D Thx for the update: I will tell my partners.....heck, I had trouble with my current partner persuading him that it wasn't just the minors B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 It's already standard at the top level? I bet that from now on people will take gwnn's suggestions more seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 It's already standard at the top level? I bet that from now on people will take gwnn's suggestions more seriously. Yes I realized I might have been wrong. I am having group think with the "las vegas crew" and the "former-junior crew" being so intertwined and so numerous that I think that sample is good for "most top level players" if all of them play something, but it's a very biased sample. For instance if I know or think I know that a group of Hampson, Fred, Curtis, Levin, Weinstein, Jacobus, Passell, Wold, Greco, Joe, Kevin, Kranyak, Joel, Johnny all play something that it is stanard at the top level, but really when one or two of those people "discover" something and tell the rest they are all likely to start playing it, so it's not a valid sample to say it's standard at the top level in USA. However, that is a lot of the top US players lol, especially since if they all play something it often came down from Rodwell and some people like Compton are very in that loop so probably play it too, and if Hampson plays it then Diamond/Platnick probably know it, etc. It is funny how completely influential Rodwell and Hampson are in what is "standard" among a lot of players at the top level in USA, hence almost everyone in that group except for Joel and Johnny and Levin/Weinstein playing a very similar version of strong club (called Meck lite). Rodwell is a known great theoretician but Hampson deserves more credit for being one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 2NT as natural here is extremely risky. There is a big difference between 1x pass 1y 1NT and1x pass 2x 2NT You're a level higher and opps have found a suit for the lead. Thus 2NT should be artificial and a two-suiter is a good agreement for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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