phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=shjt42dq943caqj83&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=4s]133|200[/hv] What would you do? Is my judgement off centre here too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Meh I'd probably pass, not enough defense if partner sits the X which he often will. It does matter how takeout oriented vs how cards oriented it is, for instance with one partner (Kevin) I would not consider doubling, and with another (Joe) I would strongly consider it since Joe plays it as just takeout and very shape oriented, and Kevin plays it as more cards oriented and thus passes more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Meh I'd probably pass, not enough defense if partner sits the X which he often will. Hehe. Feel like this is a Gotcha moment. Re doing different things at the table and on the forums. Care to look again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I want to act, but r/w I can't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I don't know what you mean? Edit: are you referring to me editing my post 1 second after I posted? I often do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Hehe. Feel like this is a Gotcha moment. Re doing different things at the table and on the forums. Care to look again? this is a near auto pass aka "sometimes preempts work" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I don't know what you mean? Its board 2 of the BB bowl final, either set one or two cannot work out the notation. You doubled. PS ill admit I posted it deliberately to lure you in. Was pretty sure this was an auto pass, thought if I put it up and put my vote in as double you would put in a vote for pass. Was disappointed you didnt think it was an auto pass. :P Was hoping for a Pass LOL, butyou dont seem to do them any more :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Its board 2 of the BB bowl final, either set one or two cannot work out the notation. You doubled."and with another (Joe) I would strongly consider it since Joe plays it as just takeout and very shape oriented" You got me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 You got me! it was better before you edited. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I mean, I don't understand why people try to "get" me. I am not saying that I make no errors in real life. I do not even know if I would classify doubling as an error when your agreements are that you would not X with a hand like Kx AQxx KJxx Qxx and you would double on a hand slightly stronger than this automatically. I am happy you can feel content that you got me when I said "Meh""I would probably pass""With one partner (Joe) I would strongly consider double." I mean jeez, obviously I indicated that I would always pass here. Naturally I do not consider it a close decision that might come down to things like how aggressive my opponents preempts are (dutch people), or how often partner pulls the double, or Joe's non standard way of playing these doubles. I mean, look at the hand he actually pulled with. If you actually think I am posting far differently than I play in real life then lol, ok. If you are just butthurt because I tried to give some helpful advice in another thread, that's pretty petty. But good job, you got me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 it was better before you edited. :) Yes, I only said "meh" and "I'd probably pass" and my stated reason was partner will pass the double too often, as you did not specify non standard agreements/behaviors for how often partner pulls the double. Did you see what my partner bid with over the double? Do you think most people behave that way? Do you not think that I know my partner pulls the double with hands like that and thus adjust my doubles that way? It would be similar to saying you hold a strong NT with Kx of spades, do you double 4S? Of course my answer would probably be "Yes" but if I was playing with Joe my answer would probably be "no" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 PS ill admit I posted it deliberately to lure you in. Was pretty sure this was an auto pass, thought if I put it up and put my vote in as double you would put in a vote for pass. Was disappointed you didnt think it was an auto pass. :P Was hoping for a Pass LOL, butyou dont seem to do them any more :) What is the point of doing this? Do you want me to feel bad for making a bid that didn't work in the biggest match of my life (I think it cost 2 imps?).Do you think that I just make things up on the forums that I would never do in real life? Are you butt hurt because I offered you constructive advice in the other thread? Don't worry, I won't do that again. I was actually trying to be nice. Do you still think you "got" me? "I would probably pass" implies that some of the time I would bid. "Meh" implies that I do not feel very strongly. I'm surprised there is any chance you'd think that I thought this was an auto pass if I doubled in the ***** finals of the bermuda bowl. Do you think I just got bored and felt like bidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 If you actually think I am posting far differently than I play in real life then lol, ok. If you are just butthurt because I tried to give some helpful advice in another thread, that's pretty petty. But good job, you got me! Was just hoping for some classic humour J. Calm down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Your behavior was malicious and in bad taste. It was no doubt driven by what happened in the other thread. When people maliciously try to humiliate or embarrass you and imply that you make things up, would you not care? Trying to have humor at someone elses expense because you are angry with them is just childish. Good try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 TOTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 phil_20686, it's obvious you are good and talented, I don't know why you did this. Posting it is in slightly bad taste, exclaiming you got him when it's obvious to everyone else that you only validated his point makes you look like an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=shjt42dq943caqj83&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=4s]133|200| phil_20686 asks "What would you do? Is my judgement off centre here too?" IMO Pass = 10, Double = 7, 4N = 4The relative merits of options do depend on partner's predillections. Also, a mixed strategy is appropriate to some Bridge situations, although perhaps not here. [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 We certainly want to have active internationals and other very strong players posting in the forums. Baiting them or joking at their expense is not an incentive for their continued participation. In short, bad idea. Oh by the way I pass. Unlike Justin, I have no partners with whom this would work. Although sometimes I wish I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 phil_20686, it's obvious you are good and talented, I don't know why you did this. Posting it is in slightly bad taste, exclaiming you got him when it's obvious to everyone else that you only validated his point makes you look like an idiot. I thought this hand was interesting for a number of reasons. (1) For Justin to double here is far from standard. When a WC player does something far from standard that is interesting, doubly so when he posts regularly in this forum. (2) In the context of the other thread, I was suggesting that most errors are errors of execution, rather than a failure to properly analyse, on this hand I was fairly sure that Justin would suggest that pass is best. If he did then this hand would be the very definition of an error of execution, when what you think is best is different from the action one actually took at the table. This would support the point I was making in the other thread. If he did not that is also interesting, as most top players would pass immediately. (3) In the context of the other thread, I think this is exactly the kind of hand where players are tempted into errors at the table, despite knowing it to be inferior. It is tempting to double. I for one am pretty sure that I would auto double at the table, despite being pretty sure its an inferior action. I'm not sure totally why this happens. I doubt I am alone. The other cases where I find my self commonly at fault with my own better judgement is in penalty doubles, where I make fewer at the table than I advocate in problems, and weakish distributional hands, where I tend to over complete. I have made the error of doubling too light here multiple times, and while it doesnt cost much that often, its annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 A harmless practical joke :) and JLOGIC emerges, as usual, unscathed, smelling of roses :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm surprised there is any chance you'd think that I thought this was an auto pass if I doubled in the ***** finals of the bermuda bowl. Do you think I just got bored and felt like bidding?Well, the pace of play was fairly slow :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Auto 4N (high offense T/O, not 2-suiter). Have to have action on this 3-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I am curious---I would like to add something to theoriginal parameters of the auction. You suspect yourteam has fallen far behind. Nothing else has changed. Would anyone that voted pass now consider x??? I stronglysuspect many would (myself included). I do not know whatthe circumstances were in the match you discussed but thereare many things that can change how a person will bid. 15 (10? 5?)hands in a row with nothing but pass makes us alla bit antsy and we may start to shade things a bit in ourdesire to contribute. Thank goodness none of us are robotsbecause they stink to high heaven. The same thing that seemsto limit artificial intelligence also lends a hand in some ofour inconsistencies. It is also possible that reading our forums has slightly alteredmany of our perceptions on when/how to bid (even if it is at anunconscious level at best). X may have seemed like a good thing(but close) and on second thought maybe pass is better. We haveall played with partners that do something (rarely) we find hardto understand but we dont worry about it if we enjoy our game overall with that partner. Bringing up one example of inconsistency seems to say more of themarvelous consistancy of a player vs how horrid they are. The toneof this post has managed to become my SECOND vote down. Hopefullywe will get back to discussing ideas again and not posting things due to having a hissy fit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 a close decision that might come down to things like how aggressive my opponents preempts are (dutch people)That's interesting. If they're known to preempt aggressively, how should that affect our decision to intervene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 That's interesting. If they're known to preempt aggressively, how should that affect our decision to intervene? I would imagine I should double more since they're going down more often and partner is more likely to have a pass. Maybe I am underthinking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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